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Solecist Project
#41 - 2015-01-18 12:02:13 UTC
This thread is hilarious.

Of course he got banned. Either people are too shortsighted to understand,
or simply too selfish and not caring about the game at all.

CCP had *no* choice than not to ban him.

It's a freaking no brainer.


"His ship got killed by CONCORD, all good" is valid on one side ...
... and completely bullshit and short sighted on the other.


When suddenly people everywhere start using orcas that way ...
... we will see solo ganks arising everywhere, breaking everything.


So they ban him and make clear that it's not allowed to do so.


If people now declare that it's perfectly fine if solo pilots with orca support
are able to gank everything, they should be banned as well for being assholes
who rather completely ruin non consensual combat mechanics than caring about the game.

Okay, the alternative would be to simply make it impossible to jump into a ship in space with GCC ...
... but hell, if this guy had filed a petition beforehand instead of being a complete ******* ...
... then he wouldn't have been banned in the first place!

People who think they can be overly creative without caring at all deserve to be kicked out.


This thread should be locked for discussing bans, exploits and because the OP is a **** anyway.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2015-01-18 12:03:22 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Agreed, without any indication of where the grey areas begin it's getting pretty hard to create innovative gameplay without incurring the ban hammer.

So much for CCPs reputation of embracing emergent gameplay.


This looks to be more of a GM issue with out dated EULA rulings and misunderstanding what exactly is going on.

Everyone agreed boomerang needed to go and that exploit rule in regards to it was a temporary sticking plaster till they patched out the exploit (which they did). We also need to remember that the accounts have been banned pending an investigation so its not actually a verdict yet.

Pulling concord spawns around a system has been a tactic used by gankers for many years now and isn't an exploit. The problem with boomerang was that you could avoid concord which is an exploit. That isn't happening here, concord are killing his ships in the same time frame as any other gank.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#43 - 2015-01-18 12:13:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Agreed, without any indication of where the grey areas begin it's getting pretty hard to create innovative gameplay without incurring the ban hammer.

So much for CCPs reputation of embracing emergent gameplay.


This looks to be more of a GM issue with out dated EULA rulings and misunderstanding what exactly is going on.

Everyone agreed boomerang needed to go and that exploit rule in regards to it was a temporary sticking plaster till they patched out the exploit (which they did). We also need to remember that the accounts have been banned pending an investigation so its not actually a verdict yet.

Pulling concord spawns around a system has been a tactic used by gankers for many years now and isn't an exploit. The problem with boomerang was that you could avoid concord which is an exploit. That isn't happening here, concord are killing his ships in the same time frame as any other gank.

Agreed.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-01-18 12:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
I can't say I disagree with your assessment Baltec1, ignore my hyperbole Oops

@Sol, people have been using Orcas in that fashion for quite a while, albeit not in the same circumstances.

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Solecist Project
#45 - 2015-01-18 12:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
I can't say I disagree with your assessment Baltec1.

@Sol, people have been using Orcas in that fashion for quite a while, albeit not in the same circumstances.

So what?
Changes nothing.

My response to him would be: HTFU. Next time file a petition beforehand, stupid.
Because if he had done that he now would still have his account,
assuming he won't get unbanned anyway.

But as he didn't it means he's either stupid or a non-caring *******.


Nothing more to say to this, really, except that they better close that hole. *shrugs*

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-01-18 12:23:22 UTC
He didnt use the boomerang feature to be true. That mentions that you cant do it in a ship, he was using a pod.

If they dont like this mechanic. Make it impossible to board any ship in space while you have a Criminal timer active.

"IF criminal timer = 1
THEN ability to board = 0"

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Nicolai Serkanner
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Brave Collective
#47 - 2015-01-18 12:24:08 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
J'Poll wrote:



REALLY.

A. Free target for all in EVE.
B. Garantueed loss of ship to CONCORD.



The timer wouldn't need to be 15 mins for that. If it was designed to work that way there would be no criminal timer, just the concord response and a suspect timer so the other players could shoot you.

Yet whenever you undock/board a ship with a criminal timer concord gets involved. If thats not designed to stop people immediately re-shipping after committing a criminal act, then I'm a walrus.


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Solecist Project
#48 - 2015-01-18 12:37:40 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
J'Poll wrote:



REALLY.

A. Free target for all in EVE.
B. Garantueed loss of ship to CONCORD.



The timer wouldn't need to be 15 mins for that. If it was designed to work that way there would be no criminal timer, just the concord response and a suspect timer so the other players could shoot you.

Yet whenever you undock/board a ship with a criminal timer concord gets involved. If thats not designed to stop people immediately re-shipping after committing a criminal act, then I'm a walrus.


First time ever I meet a Walrus on the forums!

I hope you are deliberately playing daft here.

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-01-18 12:54:41 UTC
lol @ "if the game lets me do it it's not an exploit"
Use your brain. It's pretty obvious what the intend behind the 15 minute timer is.
It's there to keep you from doing exactly that: ganking stuff non-stop.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2015-01-18 13:05:07 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
lol @ "if the game lets me do it it's not an exploit"
Use your brain. It's pretty obvious what the intend behind the 15 minute timer is.
It's there to keep you from doing exactly that: ganking stuff non-stop.


Wrong.

Its there to punish you by blowing up your ship. All of his ships got blown up in the exact same time and way as every other gank.
Solecist Project
#51 - 2015-01-18 13:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
baltec1 wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:
lol @ "if the game lets me do it it's not an exploit"
Use your brain. It's pretty obvious what the intend behind the 15 minute timer is.
It's there to keep you from doing exactly that: ganking stuff non-stop.


Wrong.

Its there to punish you by blowing up your ship. All of his ships got blown up in the exact same time and way as every other gank.
Half assed. Deliberately leaving out a vital part.

Explain why the GCC lasts 15min if it's only about losing one's ship and secstatus.


You can't just leave out that important part and think your post has any ground.


Explain it. Why does the GCC last 15min?
Give your arguments some ground.


I'm waiting.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2015-01-18 13:30:23 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:



Explain it. Why does the GCC last 15min?
Give your arguments some ground.


I'm waiting.


So what time should they have implemented? 10 min? 20 min?
Solecist Project
#53 - 2015-01-18 13:38:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:



Explain it. Why does the GCC last 15min?
Give your arguments some ground.


I'm waiting.


So what time should they have implemented? 10 min? 20 min?


You are not answering the question.


Why is there a timer in the first place,
when - according to your logic - there doesn't need to be one?


Why is there a timer in the first place,
when it's only about CONCORD shooting down the ship?


Still waiting. Don't evade the question. :)

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Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#54 - 2015-01-18 13:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Solecist Project wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:



Explain it. Why does the GCC last 15min?
Give your arguments some ground.


I'm waiting.


So what time should they have implemented? 10 min? 20 min?


You are not answering the question.


Why is there a timer in the first place,
when - according to your logic - there doesn't need to be one?


Why is there a timer in the first place,
when it's only about CONCORD shooting down the ship?


Still waiting. Don't evade the question. :)


It is a deterrent "a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something"
That in itself does not mean you cannot immediately do exactly the same.

I am surprised you need clarification on something you already understand!
I suppose flaming is one way of trying to be smart!
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-01-18 13:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Seems there are 3 factors limiting suicide ganking in that funny place called highsec:

1. CONCORD response time, limiting max damage output per ship

2. ISK cost, of guaranteed ship destruction

3. 15-minute timer, which effectively limits the ganking potential of each character


Seems clear to me that they can't just allow creative players to bypass the 3rd factor, without unbalancing highsec ganking.


Rest is space lawyering. *yawns*

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#56 - 2015-01-18 14:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
If you think something's an exploit, you do it once, then check if it's reproducible once, and then report it and ask whether it's an exploit or not and you stay as far away as possible from doing it till you get an answer. (and dont try to sell anything related to it either)

Exactly.

I evaded CONCORD once. I'm not banned because I only did it once on TQ (I knew it was reproducible), and because I petitioned CCP and told them what I did and how I did it.
That's (in part) what led to the change where you cannot warp at all once you get a GCC until your ship is destroyed.
ISD Supogo
ISD BH
ISD Alliance
#57 - 2015-01-18 14:22:44 UTC
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