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A different take on a war with code

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Renard Solo
Sublimation inc
#1 - 2015-01-16 09:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Renard Solo
Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums.

Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway.

I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do.

Ps i agree about. Afk and multi boxers but belive if people enjoy high sec the shouldnt be forced out as they will leave and thats bad for the game.
Valkin Mordirc
#2 - 2015-01-16 09:58:33 UTC
I can't really see you getting flamed.

Trolled sure, thats a given here.


But you're right. *shrugs*


Also yay another CODE. Thread. Y TEH BITCHES <3 U SO MUCH?!
#DeleteTheWeak
Siegfried Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#3 - 2015-01-16 11:27:12 UTC
I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-01-16 11:30:38 UTC
Renard Solo wrote:
Hello, been playing a short while but i read an awful lot on forums.

Short answer let them win. Either fit a tank so theycant kill you before concord shows, or dont afk and move everytime you suspect they are around. Simple target denial. While this means they win it also leaves them with nothing to do. Sounds paradoxical but every other way will fail as taking out the gank ships means nothing as they are going to lose them anyway.

I know im gonna get flamed for this lol but let em win, target denial leaves them with nothing to do.

Ps i agree about. Afk and multi boxers but belive if people enjoy high sec the shouldnt be forced out as they will leave and thats bad for the game.


Hi

I can't see anything flame-worthy here. Your suggestions seem quite practical.

"Short answer let them win." Now that might strike some as problematic because CODE are the bad guys and we can't let evil triumph yadda yadda. The mindset that some players get themselves into on being taunted that "CODE always win" just leads to frustration because they find themselves entering into a futile exercise of trying to prove that CODE can be beaten.
That is like playing chess against an opponent who has no king. No matter what you do you can never force checkmate and they will argue every time you failed to beat them. Why would you want to play that game ?

The trick is not to get sucked in and play the CODE game.

Unless you want to of course.

Here is another idea. Think of CODE as being like all those red crosses that dot the game.
Those crosses were in the game yesterday. They are here now. No matter how many you shoot today they will be back again tomorrow.

Do any of us care about our inability to clear Eve of all those red crosses ?

No.

Do any us really pay much attention to what some Serpentis or NPC Merc leader says while you're in a mission ?

No. So why care about the smack talk being spouted by CODE in local ? Block them if you want some clear air in local.

Think of CODE as just another environmental hazard in the game. Tank or Move. Engage if you wish.

Most importantly don't let others dictate how you should play the game. View the game through your own prism.
Renard Solo
Sublimation inc
#5 - 2015-01-16 11:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Renard Solo
Nice post, like your thinking
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-01-16 12:52:03 UTC
Yeah, following the tank your ship and pay attention style of EVE is the best way to win.

But why did we need another CODE. thread?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-16 13:24:11 UTC
Congrats OP, you figured it out! No, that's not me being sarcastic. Not getting ganked (or being at very, very, very low risk of ganking) is super easy. In short it's: flying a tanked skiff/procurer.

The New Order will always have something to do unless suicide ganking is removed from game or is nerfed so hard it's practically impossible though. If every miner were to fly heavily tanked and be atk attention will be switched to different targets (which is already the case), shuttles, pods, haulers, freighters etc etc.

You don't have to win the 'war with Code.', you just have to make sure you're not a victim in it. Big smile
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#8 - 2015-01-16 13:27:55 UTC
To OP:

Your jib , sir.

I like it.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-16 13:57:22 UTC
Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!

But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-16 14:01:58 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!

But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players.

The New Order has already stretched it's wings over to other MMO's. Too lazy to find the link on minerbumping though...

Eventually, the entire MMO-world will obey the Code! \o/
Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-01-16 14:02:56 UTC
Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:
I also recommend paying the ransom whenever you get bumped in a freighter


...then getting blown to smithereens anyway Twisted
Renard Solo
Sublimation inc
#12 - 2015-01-16 14:32:27 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
To OP:

Your jib , sir.

I like it.



Thankyou kind sir but i suspect a trap of some kind according to your sig
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-16 15:23:59 UTC
Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2015-01-16 15:54:43 UTC
Drez Arthie wrote:
Playing in groups rather than solo is less prone to ganks, isn't it? So why not have corp mining ops, freight ops, etc., have a beer together and chat on TS/Mumble instead of boring solo play.


Because apparently it's soul-crushingly boring to do.

(hint, if you're on comms, and relaying stories of great adventures of the past - both in game, and IRL - these types of missions are always a good time).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#15 - 2015-01-16 18:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit.

10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank.

Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-16 18:41:30 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
OP ignores the most obvious, cheapest, and morally superior action: buy a permit.

10M ISK per year. Permit tank, best tank.


Does your permit include protection by CODE vs. other entities? I believe that's how RL gangsters do it.
Ragnar D IX
Ayn Rand Corporation
#17 - 2015-01-16 18:50:57 UTC
In my experience...

I dunno why anyone uses a Retty or Mack anymore: WAY to squishy. Odds move to the miner with a Procurer or Skiff... in .9 or 1.0 space.

Also...

Any mining fleet ought to have ecm support.. by which .. I mean an armor-tanked Scorpion with sensor boosts.

Also.. to you rock hounds... if someone in an ecm boat intervenes on your behalf.. throw them a bone sometime.. esp if they save your precious barge!

My two cents...
Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2015-01-16 19:28:57 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
To OP:

Your jib , sir.

I like it.
I too, like the cut of the OP's jib. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#19 - 2015-01-16 19:31:02 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Since they already won eve, they just could leave eve!

But almost every other MMO would ban ppl griefing other players.


I didn't realize using valid game mechanics was griefing LolLol
Renard Solo
Sublimation inc
#20 - 2015-01-16 19:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Renard Solo
Buy a permit? what a waste of money lol. If they apear just move and if you cant run either try and hold on with a tank till concord gets there or just do as much damage as possible before you die. Why would i waste isk giving it away? Thats just silly . Bad poster, naughty .
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