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Looking to get into WH's, starting in C1.

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Fearless Jin Serb
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#1 - 2015-01-16 05:06:40 UTC
As the title says im looking to move into WH's and would like to ask some questions.

I have two characters, this guy who'll be my main PvE toon and a scanning/salvage alt. Im thinking of starting with C1's but im really struggling to find one that inst occupied, do they exist or are unoccupied holes really that rare? I was also told I could expect to make 500-700mill per week, is this realistic?

I was also wondering about the POS and PI. I've read in guides that I could possibly create my own fuel inside my WH, how feasible is this idea?

MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-01-16 05:23:28 UTC
The C1's with a hisec static tend to be fairly occupied. They also get alot of traffic. Scan enough of them and you'll find an empty one.

You can make much more than that. Depends on what you're doing and whether you're scanning chains or just home system. C1 money is a bit slower, I don't know exactly, but it's also alot more forgiving. 500-700m/week sounds like you're spending alot of time running sites, but I don't know exactly the numbers. Maybe Lord Corbexx could gives better specifics.

It's probably unrealistic if you don't leave your C1.

You can't make POS fuel without ice stuff. You'll need to find out how to get that. Otherwise it's feasible.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#3 - 2015-01-16 11:01:23 UTC
I was writing a lengthy answer, when I accidentally closed the tab. So here the short version.

- extend your search to C2. Should be doable with nore than beginner skills. More traffiv due to 2 statics, harder sites.
- statics are important. The amount of visitors and the difficulty of market runs depend on them. There are random highsec connections, but your static is the reliable connection to known space.
- if you can't find a proper hole yourself you can buy one or let others search for you.
- PI makes for good reliable income. Especially in low class whs. Check planets on eveeye for POS fuel.
- making your own fuel saves money and - more importantly - eases logistics. You will have to bring in a lot less if you only buy the ice products.
- 300-500 million a week solely from sleeper loot seems a bit high. With PI, exploring, gas huffing and industry you can even pass that figure. Some people also mine in whs. But don't forget that this numbers are income, not profit. You will also have to buy fuel, ammo, drones etc. and replace ships.
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#4 - 2015-01-16 11:05:32 UTC
Fearless Jin Serb wrote:
I was also told I could expect to make 500-700mill per week, is this realistic?


No, it is pure bullshit. If we talk about just your C1.

C1 are bad for pve because you cannot collapse your static (20millions mass ship max) so you cannot mine ore easily.

So it let you with the nullsec data/relic and sleepers ano. Sleepers don't refresh fast in wormhole space. It depends on how many people run anomalies in your constellation in the same wormhole class.
For example, C3 refresh pretty fast, but C2 are slow (1 each 2 day as i can see).

1 ano is around 30millions for C2, same for C1.
So if C1 refresh is like C2, you can expect around 400 millions per week, assuming you have no loss.

So your expectation is highly irrealistic.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#5 - 2015-01-16 11:24:44 UTC
Income in a c1 can be - depending on your outfit - anywhere from 40mil an hour to 200mil an hour. Necessary though is a c1 filled with anoms, since you can run them in less than 5 minutes each.

Settling down in one particular system will not get you anywhere from a pve PoV. Better get any c2 with a c1 static and log out in there, you'll have a new c1 every day. You also don't need a tower or the inhabitants permission to dwell in a hole, just do it. If you do raise a tower, put three small artillery batteries on there and dare them to look at you. Else I'd suggest just logging in deadspace.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-01-16 11:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Papa Django wrote:
Fearless Jin Serb wrote:
I was also told I could expect to make 500-700mill per week, is this realistic?


No, it is pure bullshit. If we talk about just your C1.


Not, it's completely realistic! If he really make up his mind a little bit about how doing PI 700M is easily possible with 2 chars in a C1. If he really is doing a good Job on PI above 700M with all PvE contect (excluded ORE) is not a problem at all.

For PvE: Just don't farm stupidly. For Sleeper Relic and Data Sites, just when they spawn farm the sleepers and don't hack the cans! Only at the 4th day hack the cans. Most times they are not worth the hacking time anyway. That way after each downtime you get a new sleeper spawn (if ccp did not Change that mechanic in the last 12 months).

And for sure you do not just have your static. Often you will have random wormholes, leading to others, which means you can check that wormhole for anoms / relics and if it's another C1 or C2 farm that, if there seems to be no inhabitants online at the Moment. If you have an incoming wormhole to C3 and higher, check those wormholes for Gas sites and try to ninja-mine. Gas worth lot more than your C1 gases and if you loose a ship, it's just a plain cheap Venture!

Gas Sites: A lot more worth nowadays than bevor T3 Destroyers where announced in low-class wormhole. I bet not everybody is aware, that some ladar sites today generate ~30M ISK per site, not counting the sleeper wrecks.

@Threadopener: If it's just you with your alt. Stay with C1! That's enough for you. C2 will be too hard for you to control and you will loose more ships / have less time to generate ISK. C2 statics to C1 can generate a possibility to farm that, but in most cases it will not be possible for you, because you are alone, meaning you can not scout the wormholes and you can not roll the C2 Z647 (static to C1) for another one, because you will find empty C1s with no anoms / signatures! Really reccomend for you a C1 at the Moment!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Bleedingthrough
#7 - 2015-01-16 11:57:43 UTC
Making fuel is probably not worth your time.

A good way to reduce costs and workload and increase fun is to join a WH corp.

Fearless Jin Serb
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#8 - 2015-01-16 12:32:01 UTC
Thank you to everyone whose replied, you've all been really helpful!

I thought the ISK count may have been a little optimistic so thanks for sorting that one out for me. Right now im trying to find a c1 with a LS static just to reduce the amount of traffic coming into the wormhole.

This leads me to my next question!! So i thought I understood statics and what now, but now im now sure Oops
Am i right in thinking if i enter the WH through a WH i find in LS that this is the LS static? or is this bull****?
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-16 13:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Fearless Jin Serb wrote:
This leads me to my next question!! So i thought I understood statics and what now, but now im now sure Oops
Am i right in thinking if i enter the WH through a WH i find in LS that this is the LS static? or is this bull****?


It's not necessarily the static. It can also be a wandering wormhole, e.g. a Z971.
Even if it is a J244 (C1-low) when you are inside the wormhole, that doesn't mean necessarily it's the static low sec.

To be on the safe side what you have found, just type in the System number here under "lookup System" and you get all relevant data on one page:

http://staging.staticmapper.com/

example J144913 = http://staging.staticmapper.com/index.php?system=J144913&Search=Search

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#10 - 2015-01-16 13:24:22 UTC
Fearless Jin Serb wrote:
This leads me to my next question!! So i thought I understood statics and what now, but now im now sure Oops
Am i right in thinking if i enter the WH through a WH i find in LS that this is the LS static? or is this bull****?



It depends. If the inside hole is named N110 (from highsec), J244 (from Lowsec) or Z060 (from null). That is your static. Static doesn't mean that the hole will always lead to the same system or even be at the same place in the wormhole system. It only means that there will always be a connection of this sort in your wormhole system. If the wormhole on the inside is named K 162 it's a wandering hole and will not be replaced instantly after its time or mass have run out.

So whatever hole you came through may be the static or a wandering hole. Therefore I advise to check the statics via a website.
Fearless Jin Serb
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#11 - 2015-01-16 13:47:41 UTC
Awesome thanks for clearing that up. Just had a spot of luck and found a C1 with aHS static by chance :P

However there is a online POS in there. Did abit of zkillboard stalking and found the guy who owns it, added him to contacts etc but what now?

Should i just try find another one which is completely empty? or do I just hang around for abit and see how active they are?
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-01-16 13:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
How many anoms / relics in this C1? If it's a lot he is probably not very active. But he still has a POS in there and can interdict you all the time he likes.

If you are in a hurry, why not buying a wh. For example this one: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=398480&find=unread

You spent a few Million ISK, but get an empty wormhole and can start moving in and generating ISK, instead of spending your time with waiting and searching.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Fearless Jin Serb
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#13 - 2015-01-16 14:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Fearless Jin Serb
Only 1 anom in there, got me thinking he's probably active.

I was looking into buying on ebut honestly im a little too broke to be able to afford to buy one and buy the tower etc. I've decided I'll get in with a WH corp to learn the ropes, make some ISK and then when I have more experience and ISK try it alone. Thanks for all the help though guys, it has been really appreciated.
turbulent energy
Boris Johnson's Love Children
#14 - 2015-01-16 14:58:15 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
I was writing a lengthy answer, when I accidentally closed the tab. So here the short version.
....


FYI ctrl shift t open the last closed tab with the fields intact.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#15 - 2015-01-16 15:21:48 UTC
turbulent energy wrote:
FYI ctrl shift t open the last closed tab with the fields intact.


Thank you. I'm afraid I will have forgotten it by the next time I need this info.
Witmer Jolith
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-01-19 21:43:52 UTC
Your ability to find an unoccupied C1 will be very challenging. And, when you find one, you almost need to have your POS kit positioned and ready to deploy.

Having said that, are you in a position to defend your POS if attacked? You mentioned 2 characters, but the only thing realistically you can do is to man the POS guns.

I would suggest that you look for a corporation which welcomes new members with little to no experience in wormholes. They frequently will provide you with safety and other features such as loot buy back, ship replacement, etc., which you cannot handle on your own.

You could then learn the Fuel Block manufacturing process and Planetary Interaction while living in a hole.

http://theraorbust.blogspot.com/
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#17 - 2015-01-20 01:10:39 UTC
Fearless Jin Serb wrote:
As the title says im looking to move into WH's and would like to ask some questions.

I have two characters, this guy who'll be my main PvE toon and a scanning/salvage alt. Im thinking of starting with C1's but im really struggling to find one that inst occupied, do they exist or are unoccupied holes really that rare? I was also told I could expect to make 500-700mill per week, is this realistic?

I was also wondering about the POS and PI. I've read in guides that I could possibly create my own fuel inside my WH, how feasible is this idea?



I have one you can have, gratis. there is ONE condition and it cannot be waived, and that is that you commit to putting up your POS on the same moon as the POS I have in there right now, in order to act as a bug zapper for a Rorqual which logged off 5 months ago. As long as you commit to this, you may remain in the system and avail yourself of the PI, the sites, the anoms and all the ambience you can muster. Plus, one day, you might just log in to find a Rorqual dying spectacularly to your POS and maybe the tengus, lokis and other ships we saw packed into its ship maintenance bay may drop out.

Contact me via mail. It'll take a few days for my alt to train probing so he can get out of the tower in his scanning mammoth(s).
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#18 - 2015-01-21 16:19:52 UTC
Not a bad deal there.

I would advise signing up for tripwire or siggy wormhole mapper. Pirates little helper has a mapper also.

Don't be afraid to probe out the static (the hs) for other wormholes to run their sites. You are not stuck in your c1.

Yaay!!!!

Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#19 - 2015-01-21 16:39:17 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:

I have one you can have, gratis. there is ONE condition and it cannot be waived, and that is that you commit to putting up your POS on the same moon as the POS I have in there right now, in order to act as a bug zapper for a Rorqual which logged off 5 months ago. As long as you commit to this, you may remain in the system and avail yourself of the PI, the sites, the anoms and all the ambience you can muster. Plus, one day, you might just log in to find a Rorqual dying spectacularly to your POS and maybe the tengus, lokis and other ships we saw packed into its ship maintenance bay may drop out.

Contact me via mail. It'll take a few days for my alt to train probing so he can get out of the tower in his scanning mammoth(s).

Story doesn't add up. For one, from the Rorqual description:
Due to its specialization towards industrial operations, its ship maintenance bay is able to accommodate only industrial ships, mining barges and their tech 2 variants.

So, no Lokis/tengus there...

Plus, how do you fuel your tower if you can't scan your way out?
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#20 - 2015-01-22 00:03:28 UTC
...you fly in a dozen Mammoths with a year's worth of fuel, put skill books in one of them, and log your toon on. Drag and drop fuel from Mammoth to POS, and if you want to extend another year, then you chuck the books in your head and spend a week training.

Come on dude, it's not that hard to figure out.
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