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Awoxing is no more

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#621 - 2015-01-18 04:43:33 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Destroyers got buffed because they were useless as a ship class. Tier 3 battlecruisers were released as a new ship class with no expressly-stated intent to be ships used solely for pvp. Neither of those changes were created for the sole benefit of pvpers in mind; it just so happened that pvpers took advantage of these features.


So combat ships … aren't for PVPers?

You're not even trying!
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#622 - 2015-01-18 04:44:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

Wardec fees proportional to size of target, so small corps can't hope to wardec larger ones.



That's not a buff. Oh, and when wardecs aren't completely optional, then it might make some difference.


Are you planning to force people to log in and play the game?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#623 - 2015-01-18 04:44:58 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:

And then there are people who are introduced to one set of rules (no in-corp aggression) and get sick of the rules changing all the time (welcome to our player corp which is better than an NPC corp because we can shoot you).


Those rules haven't changed. It's been that way for a long damned time.

Or are you arguing that NPC corps offer too many benefits? Because that certainly is true.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#624 - 2015-01-18 04:46:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Seriously, don't go for this sort of angle. The "wait and see" approach amounts to stalling for time, and you know this.


Whining on the forums has exactly the same effect as "wait and see".

How about talking to CSM and asking for them to lobby CCP to clarify whether there will in fact be taxes or rates for use of the "FFA" toggle?



Lol read the summer CSM mins? The two nonBear/nullBlueBears tried telling ccp all these things. Basically got told their opinions were trash and to shut up and remember they are only there as AN ADVISORy COMMITEE. They cant change ccps mind when ccp decides to do dumb things.

I quit for a while right in begining of 2010 when Incarna and the monocole and greed is good happened. I was unsubbed and ALL THE UNSUBBED ACCOUNTS AND THE VET JITA PROTESTS made ccp change their mind. They need to get water thrown in their face to wake them up sometimes.

Remwmber when this used to BE OUR GAME? US THE PLAYERS GAME? AND CCP JUST ADMINISTERED IT TO US? Stuffs changed bro
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#625 - 2015-01-18 04:46:46 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

Wardec fees proportional to size of target, so small corps can't hope to wardec larger ones.



That's not a buff. Oh, and when wardecs aren't completely optional, then it might make some difference.


Are you planning to force people to log in and play the game?


Can you do anything besides escalate to pure absurdity?

I want people to actually have to play the game, and interact with other players, not play games with the corp creation mechanic to bypass having to surrender. I don't think that's unreasonable, either.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#626 - 2015-01-18 04:48:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Destroyers got buffed because they were useless as a ship class. Tier 3 battlecruisers were released as a new ship class with no expressly-stated intent to be ships used solely for pvp. Neither of those changes were created for the sole benefit of pvpers in mind; it just so happened that pvpers took advantage of these features.


So combat ships … aren't for PVPers?

You're not even trying!

They're not only for pvpers, ergo, their addition isn't a buff for pvp specifically, but rather an increase in the game's feature set for all of its players. Unlike, say, barge EHP increases or tags-for-sec, which benefit specific demographics.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Daario Naharis 315
Doomheim
#627 - 2015-01-18 05:53:53 UTC
Ah, this ticks me off so much that they're implementing this.

To put it simply, it shouldn't be happening. But I'm not one to ignore a new challenge. The tactics will change, the art will continue, and the 'problem' will be overcome. My only asking is that CCP DOES NOT MAKE THIS DEFAULT for all new Corps. Let them find the button on their own. And when they do? Charge them 10% as has been mentioned far, far earlier in this thread.


Here's my personal view on Highsec Safaris.

Hunters, like myself, albeit this is obviously an alt, are important people. Not because we own some massive part of the game or control an empire or anything of the sort, but because of the content we create for the game itself. We come across botters, bad players, good players, new players, vets, everything. We keep the wheel turning in Highsec and even get to remove some of the more 'unsavory' players while we're at it. (I.E Botters and RMT Buyers [By using up their wealth each time we kill them.])

Is this something that CCP can do themselves? Sure, and they do do it. But we help, and we like helping, strange as it is. We get our kicks from the tears and the rants here and there, and pad our KBs with a nice little spec and hopefully get a nice Medal before we part ways with our target corp. It's the way we play the game, it's the thrill of the hunt going after a ship that costs multi-billions with just a little investment on our part.

It takes time, it takes patience, and it takes enthusiasm.

The Hunt for Hi-Sec Marks will go on, but this chapter is seeing a darker turn. I'm hopeful to see the emergent gameplay that results from this new 'rule' in New Eden, but I'm concerned to the potential loss of other enthusiastic souls such as we. We'll have to see.

There's my few paragraphs, Fly Blingy.
- Mr Naharis.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#628 - 2015-01-18 06:36:52 UTC
Awoxing Is No more However we need to Avox some these Posts and Replies think its Time to to Lock this Thread Indefinitely.

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Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#629 - 2015-01-18 06:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Daario Naharis 315 wrote:
Ah, this ticks me off so much that they're implementing this.

To put it simply, it shouldn't be happening. But I'm not one to ignore a new challenge. The tactics will change, the art will continue, and the 'problem' will be overcome. My only asking is that CCP DOES NOT MAKE THIS DEFAULT for all new Corps. Let them find the button on their own. And when they do? Charge them 10% as has been mentioned far, far earlier in this thread.


Here's my personal view on Highsec Safaris.

Hunters, like myself, albeit this is obviously an alt, are important people. Not because we own some massive part of the game or control an empire or anything of the sort, but because of the content we create for the game itself. We come across botters, bad players, good players, new players, vets, everything. We keep the wheel turning in Highsec and even get to remove some of the more 'unsavory' players while we're at it. (I.E Botters and RMT Buyers [By using up their wealth each time we kill them.])

Is this something that CCP can do themselves? Sure, and they do do it. But we help, and we like helping, strange as it is. We get our kicks from the tears and the rants here and there, and pad our KBs with a nice little spec and hopefully get a nice Medal before we part ways with our target corp. It's the way we play the game, it's the thrill of the hunt going after a ship that costs multi-billions with just a little investment on our part.

It takes time, it takes patience, and it takes enthusiasm.

The Hunt for Hi-Sec Marks will go on, but this chapter is seeing a darker turn. I'm hopeful to see the emergent gameplay that results from this new 'rule' in New Eden, but I'm concerned to the potential loss of other enthusiastic souls such as we. We'll have to see.

There's my few paragraphs, Fly Blingy.
- Mr Naharis.
well at least hes Honest makes a Good argument and Point maybe this Thread Awoxing is no more should be kept open a little more maybe the Awoxers are making a comeback I mean they are Humans too who have needs like everyone else.

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Dave Stark
#630 - 2015-01-18 07:27:54 UTC
Daario Naharis 315 wrote:
I'm hopeful to see the emergent gameplay that results from this new 'rule' in New Eden, but I'm concerned to the potential loss of other enthusiastic souls such as we.


There will just be a lot more reverse safaris.
So I guess we now wait for ccp to start banning people who misadvertise thier corps.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#631 - 2015-01-18 07:34:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Daario Naharis 315 wrote:
I'm hopeful to see the emergent gameplay that results from this new 'rule' in New Eden, but I'm concerned to the potential loss of other enthusiastic souls such as we.


There will just be a lot more reverse safaris.
So I guess we now wait for ccp to start banning people who misadvertise thier corps.

They'll just remove the option switch later. They're only implementing it now to lessen the blow for the pvp advocates in order to have less resistance to the proposal. See how some of the people arguing in favor of this are saying that they wouldn't be for it so much if there was no toggle? When the discussion to remove the toggle will inevitably come up in the future, they'll be arguing in favor of that just like they're arguing for the switch to the toggle system right now. It's a pretty clever way of doing things.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Dave Stark
#632 - 2015-01-18 07:53:02 UTC
Except the toggle isn't a good way to do it.

We can't just go around removing things ccp are, quite frankly, too lazy to fix.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#633 - 2015-01-18 07:56:27 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Except the toggle isn't a good way to do it.

We can't just go around removing things ccp are, quite frankly, too lazy to fix.


Sure looks like that's their plan.

I just want to know where all the little liars who were talking about "you'll just have to work harder, htfu" went. You know, after it came out that CCP is giving a 24 hour cooldown to this toggle, making it literally impossible to sneak your way into an awox.

I want to see them try to spin their way out of it, after they slung so much bullshit in this thread for page after page.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Dave Stark
#634 - 2015-01-18 08:01:04 UTC
It wouldn't be so bad but it's not particularly difficult to avoid awoxes already, even without the on/off toggle.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#635 - 2015-01-18 08:01:43 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad but it's not particularly difficult to avoid awoxes already, even without the on/off toggle.


Gotta lower that denominator if you want to appeal to the filthy casuals. Anything more than a single button for complete safety is obviously unacceptable.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#636 - 2015-01-18 08:02:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I want to see them try to spin their way out of it, after they slung so much bullshit in this thread for page after page.

They don't have to, because they can just fall back on the "oh well, it's what the majority wants anyway, so it's a good change" argument.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Dave Stark
#637 - 2015-01-18 08:04:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad but it's not particularly difficult to avoid awoxes already, even without the on/off toggle.


Gotta lower that denominator if you want to appeal to the filthy casuals. Anything more than a single button for complete safety is obviously unacceptable.


We already have a single button for it.

"Reject application"
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#638 - 2015-01-18 08:11:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad but it's not particularly difficult to avoid awoxes already, even without the on/off toggle.


Gotta lower that denominator if you want to appeal to the filthy casuals. Anything more than a single button for complete safety is obviously unacceptable.


We already have a single button for it.

"Reject application"


And Dont Recruit!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#639 - 2015-01-18 08:19:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad but it's not particularly difficult to avoid awoxes already, even without the on/off toggle.


Gotta lower that denominator if you want to appeal to the filthy casuals. Anything more than a single button for complete safety is obviously unacceptable.


We already have a single button for it.

"Reject application"


That would require having done your homework.

And the problem with homework is that it's work at all. Which is too much to be asked for highsec I suppose.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#640 - 2015-01-18 08:20:40 UTC
I have 1b ISK on there being a warning within the year that mentions that "your corporation members can kill you there!" when you jump out of high-sec.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted