EVE General Discussion

Your third sentence makes your 4th false, as you've already pointed out that there are 2 ways to kill people. Ganking still "legal" (I love when people use that term, since the law really has nothing to do with internet spaceships, I just find it funny).

On your final statement, he's been calling to have awoxing stay the way it is, while changing dec mechanics. Wants cake, wants to eat cake.

There are tremendous consequences for "dodging" grief dec.
Losing all offices rented.
Roll down all POSes (and they are far from instant, you know).
Lose all rights and have to redo them.
Lose all corp hangars and have to redo them.
24 hours stasis before quitting corp.
New corp creation fee.
Anchoring all POSes again (and they are far from instant, you know).
Moving all bears to the new corp, resetting all standings the old corp had, just to do it again when some imbecile loots yet another easymode suicide wanked indy for a billion of super easy ISK and decides he spends it to grief dec you 20 more times.

No consequences you say? I'd say it's riddled with them. Removing grief decs and leaving only war decs as decs would be the proper solution.

(1) You don't lose anything. Leaving a CEO character in the corporation ensures you don't have to shut it down, and can come back to it later.
(2) Doesn't need to be done for the same reason as (1). In the 24 hours before the war goes live, it's entirely viable to take down some expensive structures, and add a bunch of hardeners and ECM batteries to the POS. No one is going to touch it then. A high-sec ****-star POS siege is like the least fun thing possible.
(3) Done in about 10 minutes if you're copying them from the previous corporation. It's just a table with checkboxes.
(4) Done in about 30 seconds. Literally 7 text entry fields.
(5) Wrong. There isn't one.
(6) 2 million ISK is a lot. Much more than the 50+ the aggressors paid to start the war, so you're right, I concede this one.
(7) This is the only task that requires some time.
(8) Another 10-minute ordeal.

And finally, not every high-sec corporation owns (or needs to own) POSes. You use this argument as a static variable, when in fact, it clearly isn't.

Honestly you don't even need to make a second corporation. Just keep people in NPC corps for a week, and the aggressors will let the war lapse and look elsewhere. Those who come back to you after you put the players back into the corporation (often happens with mercenary contracts with disbandment as a goal), would have went after a recreated corporation anyway.

And I really can't emphasize the "no one's going to shoot a ****-star" thing enough. Good, large groups charge like 3-4 billion for that. No one else will bother.


This is exactly what will happen, and why they'll have to go after wars next. There will be nothing else to go after, aside from non-combat stuff such as theft.

(1) Corp standings will go down in a week of only-ceo-alt in there. You still pay for office renting but now you have to pay 2x if you make second corp.
(2) Large POS yes, medium and small ones are undefendable. Also, with 2 corps they can't use each other's POS.
(3) It's a table with thousands of checkboxes, and a major PITA.
(4) Moving stuff out of old hangars and placing them into new ones is a PITA.
(5) Confirming stasis is there, I just tried to quit corp and it prompted me with a 24 hour stasis period.
(6) Odds are grief deccer never worked for them, just got them for free suicide wanking someone who did, so I don't really see grief deccer expenses as a valid excuse. Even if he did work for them, for 50 million he's getting too much, while for 2 million all you get is PITA.
(7) Same as 2.
(8) That isn't only the corp standings you set, there are also NPC standings toward your corp. They matter less now, but you can't get tax reduction and jump clones in hisec otherwise, and they take a week to set in, so every grief dec you lose them.

Every industrial corporation is currently forced to have a POS, there is no other way to compress ORE otherwise and POS facilities are still better than NPC stations, means not using them is a setback, so you either do or suck.

It's only suicide wanking corps who don't have to own anything at all, 9000 catalysts aside.

I'm not sure that what EVE really needs is more people convincing fools to blow hundreds of dollars on PLEX just so someone can pad their billboards.

It's also worth noting that what is proposed is an option. With any luck CCP will make the option something that costs ISK to turn on, for example a 5% corp tax from CONCORD, or a monthly fee similar to a wardec. Then you'll find out that many corps just don't turn the option on because they think they know what they're doing.

How do you feel about the "automatic boot from corp at downtime" feature? I supposed you feel that it's severely curtailing your safari exploits and is an evil feature that should never have been implemented?

This actualky makes me wonder if CCP considers reverse safaris and if
members can look up the state of friendly fire...

I'd expect the "friendly fire flag" to be visible on Corp Info to everyone, not just corp members. The whole point is to allow rookies a sense of safety in leaving NPC corps after all. If rookies can't tell that the "friendly fire flag" is turned off before joining the corp, what's the point of having it?

On a similar vein, what's the point of having the "friendly fire flag" if rookies can't tell that it's been turned off? Similar to wardecs having start and invalidation notices, I'd expect a CONCORD notice declaring explicitly when the friendly fire flag changes.