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Vector Symian
0 Fear
#21 - 2015-01-16 04:04:33 UTC
Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch

as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh

an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall

Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex

Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population
GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#22 - 2015-01-16 04:07:42 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
If you want to kill eve this is a great idea as it will pretty much remove anyone who doesn't pay with irl and doesn't have a stash from the game because plex prices will shoot up so much.


anyone who use's plex full time has the isk for a price rise, there not going to go up to 10's of billions the wont even reach 2 bil or are the rich in isk too lazy now to earn a bit of isk.
GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#23 - 2015-01-16 04:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostOfDoom
Vector Symian wrote:
Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch

as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh

an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall

Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex

Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population


to stop the stop plex running out they can limit the large items, also with a price increase more plex will be brought and sold for isk in return helping to stabilize the price.

the plex prices have gone from below 400 million isk when they first came out to over 1 billion isk and they will continue to rise and fall but what people for get is the PLEX has become the EVE gold standard every time there's a large increase in the price of plex there's a large increase in other items prices.

most of the people that don't pay for game time with real money these days are not the ones who can't afford it they are the ones that just have too much isk and i mean 100's of trillions on accounts.

there are a lot more people that work there ass off in real life that don't have the isk for a plex as there time is spent earning money to pay real life bill's than there are people that can pay with Real Life Cash that don't as they have isk coming out of there wazoo.
suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2015-01-16 11:31:33 UTC
It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.

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the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted

GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#25 - 2015-01-16 12:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostOfDoom
suid0 wrote:
It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.

-1


so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay?

Isk is never sold on eBay?

Accounts have never been sold on eBay?

knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down

Selling in game item account and isk will get you banned but they can't stop someone selling something physical + the cost to buy the items for an RMT wouldn't be worth it they would need to farm the isk buy the plex buy the item then place the item on eBay hoping it sells for more or at least the same as they would have got from selling the Isk in the first place and believe me RMT's don't like to work hard for there cash if they can't bot it they don't want to know.

lastly how many of the same ITEM do you think they could buy before CCP flagged there account?
GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#26 - 2015-01-17 07:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostOfDoom
Vector Symian wrote:
Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch

as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh

an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall

Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex

Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population


The only people that really know how many plex there are out there is CCP and as for them drying up I think there is little chance of that as if they start to be come rarer CCP will begin to sell more due to the value going up.

As I have suggested the best way would be to partner with a 3rd party when it comes to selling them which should cover any legal problems as they would already be covered by them when it comes to selling to different countries.

the prices may very but there little to nothing you can do as prices difference's in each country making matching them impossible.

I was being a bit extreme when I said 1000 plex fora mid range PC but 200-300 seem a lot but not really as they could be classed as free to the buyer depending how they come by the plex.

even at them prices that give CCP a very nice profit and helps promote the sales of more plex.

once again the PC and such are the top end Items they could simply do T-shirts sweat shirts caps key rings box sets and so on there are more than enough people out there that have been asking for these items for years.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-01-17 09:38:00 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:
suid0 wrote:
It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.

-1


so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay?

Isk is never sold on eBay?

Accounts have never been sold on eBay?

knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down

Selling in game item account and isk will get you banned but they can't stop someone selling something physical + the cost to buy the items for an RMT wouldn't be worth it they would need to farm the isk buy the plex buy the item then place the item on eBay hoping it sells for more or at least the same as they would have got from selling the Isk in the first place and believe me RMT's don't like to work hard for there cash if they can't bot it they don't want to know.

lastly how many of the same ITEM do you think they could buy before CCP flagged there account?


ISK and account have been sold on ebay. They've also been knee-jerk banned because you know, not allowed.

Easiest way to not enable this is to now start a scheme allowing it to happen in the first place.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#28 - 2015-01-17 10:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
I am sorry, but this is truly a call to be able to RMT in a CCP supported manner.

Buy Goods with plex, RMT on Ebay with Purchased goods at 80cents on the dollar. Spend cash, Rinse and repeat until EvE economy is dysfunctional.

Whilst I do not accuse the OP of deliberately trying to slip one over, others would be rejoicing.

The Graphics card idea was marginally insane, and probably only possible as the product would have been a promotion by the manufacturer.

You are also wading deep into the territory of real world money laundering,

I can just off the top of my head see multiple scenarios to use this to launder billions of real world dollars into a negotiable clear currency.

Are you telling us that CCP would be unaffected by the illegal income from even a single drug producers smuggled product? Or terrorist group? And could handle the economic and legal backlash?

The moment you move away from trivial exchange of in game assetts to real word ones, you are effectively bound by the banking and money laundering control and prevention regulations. Moving Real world assetts to the game is fine, the chain leading back to the real world is not.

Having the systems in place to handle regulation compliance would be not only expensive, it would be impossible without a financial relationship and knowledge of the customer. Just look how much banks HAVE to know about you, this is a legal requirement.

Tl;dr the proposal is economically, commercially and legally naive, it would lead to CCP being labelled an illegal money launderer. with all of the attached consequences.

Legal would be having CPR if they read this.

So not supported.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#29 - 2015-01-17 11:58:24 UTC
I maybe wrong but every single negative comment seems to be more of a fact they might have to pay a bit more Isk for a plex which is a good thing too many super rich out there taking the pee with the value of a plex I know of people that have got enough isk on more than 1 account to buy enough plex to sub the accounts they have for over 10 years
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#30 - 2015-01-17 13:39:59 UTC
Quote:
they might have to pay a bit more Isk for a plex


PLEX price would skyrocket. It would totally destroy the market and maybe even EVE itself.

- Many players, not able to PLEX their accounts, will leave the game
- There will be bots EVERYWHERE, now, that they have a legal way of RMT
- Money Laundering could become a serious problem

Quote:
we all benefit from the reduction of PLEX's on the market less plex the more they cost so for the seller they make a few more isk

That's just your own opinion. What about all the players plexing their accounts? Do they benefit from increased PLEX price, too?

It is an interesting idea. But the only scenario, where i could see this work, is, if it's limited to occasional offers and there is only a small amount of items available. Like the example of PLEX for graphics card. They sold 100 units for 20 PLEX each. That's a total of 2.000 PLEX, not even a single day of total Jita trade volume. So the impact on the market is very small, if there is any at all.

But a permanent PLEX shop... Very bad idea.


Regards,
Damjan
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-01-17 14:09:46 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:
suid0 wrote:
It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.

-1


so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay?

Isk is never sold on eBay?

Accounts have never been sold on eBay?

knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down

Selling in game item account and isk will get you banned but they can't stop someone selling something physical + the cost to buy the items for an RMT wouldn't be worth it they would need to farm the isk buy the plex buy the item then place the item on eBay hoping it sells for more or at least the same as they would have got from selling the Isk in the first place and believe me RMT's don't like to work hard for there cash if they can't bot it they don't want to know.

lastly how many of the same ITEM do you think they could buy before CCP flagged there account?



with eBay though since not authorized they have control. Mention eBay in petition while you will be slammed for EULA violation yourself you get the satisfaction of taking the other guy down too. And his buyer if he flipped the item/char in question.

With plex to real items that are sold independent of game, there is not control from ccp. Its me selling a card in this case. Buyer doesn't have to know where it came from. best an e-bay buyer can do is write you and ask for serials of the item sold to see if hot. Only the truly anal bother to get this info, and on my cards I have seen good luck figuring out what actually is the right serial number and not a part number lol. I fight with my disposal people all the time turning in gear. Ever work with big cisco gear? They have several serial numbers fro x cards and such in them. One that wins is the one you can actually get a TAC case submitted for the whole thing.



Quantity is an issue, ccp can't go all socialist communist and go who has more than say 3 computers. While 20 would be overt potential issue....smart RMT'ers would go for say 4-5 and be less suspect. Make this a $200 card, 5 cards is still $1000 cash on the barrel head. I ain't greedy, $1000 would do me fine.

I in my tech overload days had 4 boxes. I could justify in these days a few more (space in room was limiting factor). 1 for IT work as it were, 1 for testing/IT extreme tinkering (never get freaky with a box needed up full-time, somehing I know ccp would not even argue....test bed systems are damn near a commandment in the IT realm) , 1 for daily use/gaming, and the wife's.

Now I have scaled down and love me virtual technology off a beefed up system and the wife uses an iPad and is happy with that. If asked by CCP though, yes mr auditor I am an IT admin who works on stuff at home who is learning to code as well and have several physicals running. Now give me my 5 $200 cards so I can make me $1000....err, upgrade 5 boxes.


CCP did it before we can say....maybe they learned from this. CCP is not perfect. One day somer was their buddy, then another day on the ban lists when the rtm was just way to obvious. We all make mistakes. Key to mistakes is to accept they will happen but also to ensure to not make the same ones twice.
GhostOfDoom
TheTaxless
#32 - 2015-01-18 10:13:47 UTC
Eve isn't so fragile that a few plex go from the market that it's going to die if you believe that you are sadly wrong
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