Wormholes

Will ccp ever allow caps in and out of c4 whs? Why and or why not? I know this has been discussed, but you know the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Class 5 and Class 6 wormhole space can support capital movement. If you want caps, go there.

Besides C4 Space is **** anyway, why would you want Caps in there? To do all those sweet, sweet C4 caps escalations worth barely more than C3 sites?

Lots and lots of reason that end with "why'. Mainly, what unique game play mechanic would you introduce by letting caps in c4? What income stream could you use to support continuous use of caps?

Great responses... Thank you for your input! :)

To be honest, my ideal may be a bit selfish and silly to most players in Eve. Most of you fly with a large alliance or corporation. Most of you may log on regularly as well. I happen to be on and off at times in Eve. I also, tend to fly alone, unless in a corporation or alliance with access to such income.

In my crazy mind, it makes some sense to some degree. If you will only hear me out before bashing this topic or my unorganized and nonsensical idea. For the solo'r, myself, class 4 wormhole anomalies provide the next step up in income, atop from nullsec anomalies. I used to think, I would be able to roam the back doors of nullsec, drop a cyno, and jump a carrier in to assist in a temporary deployment to raid the anomalies and collect the loot, salvage, bounty, etc. The carrier acts as a mobile base for me, I pack the SMA with a pve ship, pvp ship for defense, a secondary scanner ship as well, a noctis perhaps... but since a recent patch update, the jump drives were nerfed a bit limiting my ability to efficiently move about hostile space. It has been a desire of mine to increase the risk and isk, still solo though, and basically class 3 anomalies are somewhat similar payout to sanctum sites, imho... Now Im not a pro at anything, I could and am likely wrong on my calculations of what is more efficient or profitable... but mind you Im still young in Eve and learning as I go, and trying to increase my ability to make more isk.

Class 4 anomalies figure in about 100 mil a site IIRC. do not have the means to run class 5 sites alone... lol, Although I admire the challenge and the rewards to be had, I know my limits more than anyone else, and for the next year or two, I will not be soloing any class 5 or 6 anomalies, lol. :P

My whole idea is, I could inhabit a class 4 wormhole, make it my own, as temporary as it may be, build a carrier inside, but then get invaded, which will happen.... lol, and then loose the carrier either by my own stupidity, or by selling it with the wh. Id like to be able to solo into class 4 wormholes with my temporary mobile base, and leave at will with out loosing it. IDK how this idea of mine could be met with a simple agreement or understanding, but Im only attempting to discover how other players feel about it.

Class 3 anoms can be solo'd in tech 3, battleships perhaps. Class 4 I have seen marauders solo the sites easy, but that means you are fixed in space with the bastion module... Wouldnt it be nice to run a class 4 anom with a carrier supporting a battleship and not be locked on grid for five minutes? never the less, the site could be ran in ten minutes this way... perhaps fifteen? I know class 5 escalations can be ran in about 5-8 minutes each wave... with a gang and the correct fits and ships, I know, I used to run them with Bite Me Inc, and Elysian Empire... Maybe the consensus is: that would be way to easy to make 100 mil per site in ten minutes man, and I guess I can totally agree, but so is running escalations for fifteen minutes and making almost a billion isk... I mean that is a bit of a jump from profit and time from c4 to c5... compared to k space income,... as a solo'r looking to blitz or farm anoms, I think class 4 wormhole difficulty, and income, is fairly decent for someone looking to do things solo for a bit, learning how it all works... without the madness and restrictions from alliance or corporation rules and guidelines.

If anything, I think its rather unfair to leave only the largely profitable means of making isk to corps and alliances. I understand that to defend a pos, or a corp, you want a fleet, mates behind you, etc... but honestly, there is something interestingly challenging to me trying to do what everyone else does in groups, by myself. When I recruit players into a corp, I want to know what to do, how to do it, because Ive been doing it... and I know how its done. I like to learn by doing, and the mechanics of all the involved are learned best, for me, by doing. IDK if that makes sense... if its silly, or what ever, but it is what it is. Im simply exploring why class 4 will not allow capitals, and why the community does not seem to want to allow them in and out.

I could move to a class 5, but there is no way I would ever run sites alone, with the connections to class 5 and 6 wormholes and organizations like Adhoc, RnK, Bite Me, Aharm, k162... all the larger groups hunting lil ol guys like me down. I have no chance of survival what so ever, unless I join their corp or group. For the time being, Im on and off, and will be for a few more years till IRL settles down. I cannot stop playing Eve, so dont even throw that at me. I pay to play, I love Eve, and have been at it for five years now, and have several accounts, but, at the same time, its seems Im way behind the bell curve, and am struggling to find a common ground so I can enjoy SPACE as it is unrestricted as it is. meh, for my .02

Very interesting... I never knew that CCP had played with the RR in class 4 and boosted the pay out of class 3 sites... I miss so much in Eve ... Im usually catching up, lol. Thanks for the several tips btw! :) you are correct though, I am trying to become self sufficient solo... with the use of my four alt accounts yes. :) The carrier is a huge target, no doubt... lol this one time.... ahh thats for another thread maybe lmao... :P but seriously, you hit the nail on the head. It saddens me some to hear CCP plays a bit with the payout and mechanics of things. But tbh, Im totally new to MMORPG's and Eve is my first and only... vidoe game that I play currently and for the past 4-5 years. I guess, I will have to adapt, simply put. and possibly learn new ways of making 150+ mil an hour without risking too much or investing too much all in one go. I usually leave the carrier cloaked or docked or in a pos untill its needed, I usually try to do as much as I can with as little as possible.

It is very well possible that I NEED to find a new way, I will be honest here, after my experience with Bite Me Inc, I was fascinated with escalations and the use of capitals to support the fleet... and I adapted my own method from that, into nullsec anomalies. I know that may be overkill, and seem silly to most experienced pilots. But in all fairness, I have not lost one capital ship in the two years I have had the same carrier. I started learning how to use the carrier in nullsec, with pve, and have only twice had to fend for my carrier and succeed both times in driving off the hostile forces without a single loss. I pat myself on the back for this, cause I really didnt have anyone hold my hand and teach me about it. I learned all by doing and planning ahead for situations. :)

Now, C3 sites... more profit, less risk... maybe I will look into that. :) a c3 with a NS or ls static would be ideal... perhaps, but I think I want to be rather alone more... and Im afraid of the pvp that will come into hunt me out. I thought I read or heard that class 4 are no longer the more desirable wh class. It seems I have much more work at hand and research to conduct... and perhaps I will consider joining a corp that has access to what Im looking for, I just figured because of my non consistent play times, I may be undesirable for recruitment.

And for the record, Bite Me Inc and Elysian Empire, were nothing short of being the best corp and alliance I have been apart of! I miss them dearly and learned so much from them. The alliance had disbanded not long ago, and I am still in the middle of college... lol for my third time. When I was in Bite Me,... I was second carrier and loki a lot... and salvaged the shiny stuffs for hte alliance. We would inhabit an empty or invaded wh for escalation farming... which I never did too much of and just got a taste of the isk. Since then I ahve been alone and struggling to find my way back to the wh life. TY again for your inputs! Perhaps, allowing capitals into class 4 wormholes is not the solution. :) and I need to find another means, of exploring my solo space driven desires.

much love and light Eve Community!







No your link sucks... ty anyway for trying to be on the same cloud as the rest of us. :P

If you're dead set on a C4 or lower, then you could always just build a Carrier or Dread in that hole via an industry POS.


It's risky and can get you evicted, but a lot of lower class wormhole corps like EVE Uni use Carriers and the like for Hole Defense. They could be used just as well for ratting I suppose.

Seasoned C4 marauder clears and salvages (on an alt) three Command Posts per hour, totalling over 300 mil, average Joe should noodle thru 2.5 anoms per hour.

I've made the argument for carriers to be able to move in/out but dreads should never be able to.

You can live in a C4 and run sites with your alts. I did it for a long time but it becomes a grind.
Back with only one static, no wanderings, no worrying about k162's spawning by themselves, other bs that got changed, it was much safer.

Honestly, you are better off in a c2 with C5/NS statics.
You can run ded sites in mostly empty null.
C5 gas.
C5 anoms with RR t3 or BS.

They are already allowed in and out of C4 space.

IN: assembly array + crapton of minerals + 1 week = capital ship

OUT: get caught out and about in system and ...... POP

I'm not sure what additional functionality you are seeking???