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Solecist Project
#21 - 2015-01-13 16:02:31 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
I wonder how long it's going to take until people start a petition to allow them to AFK rat with drones again?

CCP will allow it when the seekers turn aggressive enough ... Twisted

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-01-13 16:08:10 UTC
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


If you were at your keyboard, you could scoop the drone when it's taking damage to force the NPC to cycle to another target.
Solecist Project
#23 - 2015-01-13 16:13:00 UTC
Hi Frosty! ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-01-13 16:15:27 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


If you were at your keyboard, you could scoop the drone when it's taking damage to force the NPC to cycle to another target.


OR, since it's a carrier, use a capital remote rep of some sort to not let the fighter die. And why wasn't the carrier using EWAR to hold aggro on the carrier and off the fighters?

You have to be insanely bad at carrier ratting to let a fighter die.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-01-13 16:22:45 UTC
Hi Sol!

Jenn aSide wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


If you were at your keyboard, you could scoop the drone when it's taking damage to force the NPC to cycle to another target.


OR, since it's a carrier, use a capital remote rep of some sort to not let the fighter die. And why wasn't the carrier using EWAR to hold aggro on the carrier and off the fighters?

You have to be insanely bad at carrier ratting to let a fighter die.


I'm betting on a full rack of drone control unit preventing him from using remote reps because more drone gives more isk/h. Just like scooping a drone, using EWAR is hard when AFK...
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-01-13 16:30:01 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Alex... thanks! :)
Today I was watching the depressing episode of the Canide&Happiness show on youtube.
Simply wanted to go all in and test how stable I have become. ^_^

It started horribly already and I cried up to the seven minute mark....

I suggest watching the full show for a great emotional experience.
From the beginning!!!

I dare you watching it.... :)
Ok! Will do once I finish pretending I'm working.
Ok, watched it.

Now I feel like sacrificing a Firbolg! Lol

Seriously, it seemed rather comical to me. Too many tragedies too close together.


Except the finale. I didn't really care too much about the random small-faced dude, but yeah, even forum trolls shed a tear for babies. Sad

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-01-13 16:34:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


If you were at your keyboard, you could scoop the drone when it's taking damage to force the NPC to cycle to another target.


OR, since it's a carrier, use a capital remote rep of some sort to not let the fighter die. And why wasn't the carrier using EWAR to hold aggro on the carrier and off the fighters?

You have to be insanely bad at carrier ratting to let a fighter die.


But...but..

You mean I should play EVE and not go read a book or watch Netflix (you all know that it just means Pron) while I go AFK amdndont watch EVE.

OP, I know 2 solutions:

Actively play EVE if you are so destined to abuse a carrier by ratting in it.

OR

Tell us when you do it next, so we can make sure you wont lose a fighter again.

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Zeropa
Dropped your Pocket
#28 - 2015-01-13 16:36:31 UTC
Went to do what I always did today, warped to Forsaken hub to make some money in my carrier. Deployed 2 geckos and the rest amarr heavy drones. Waited till drones attacked turned ECM Burst II on. First wave died as normal, second wave spawns nothing attacks my carrier and suddenly my gecko is in structure. I return drones to bay still no aggro from npcs. I launch drones again, instantly my drones start taking heavy damage.

I had a corp mate test it in his carrier, same thing. We got another corp mate to test it in his rattlesnake and he seemed to do as normal. So in conclusion I think this might be an issue with drone aggro mechanics
Solecist Project
#29 - 2015-01-13 16:37:37 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Alex... thanks! :)
Today I was watching the depressing episode of the Canide&Happiness show on youtube.
Simply wanted to go all in and test how stable I have become. ^_^

It started horribly already and I cried up to the seven minute mark....

I suggest watching the full show for a great emotional experience.
From the beginning!!!

I dare you watching it.... :)
Ok! Will do once I finish pretending I'm working.
Ok, watched it.

Now I feel like sacrificing a Firbolg! Lol

Seriously, it seemed rather comical to me. Too many tragedies too close together.


Except the finale. I didn't really care too much about the random small-faced dude, but yeah, even forum trolls shed a tear for babies. Sad

I was crying until the seventh minute.

Then they showed the face and I BURST OUT IN LAUGHTER ... had to pause, couldn't take it. XD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-01-13 16:58:54 UTC
Zeropa wrote:
So in conclusion I think this might be an issue with drone aggro mechanics
Preposterous!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Solecist Project
#31 - 2015-01-13 17:00:35 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Zeropa wrote:
So in conclusion I think this might be an issue with drone aggro mechanics
Preposterous!

*slides her palm around your head* ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#32 - 2015-01-13 17:05:05 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
You are not supposed to rat in a carrier. Carriers have a support role. Please, read the devblogs and learn about ship roles in EVE.

For more information about carrier roles, please take a look at this post I wrote as a guidance for another player. The last point (paragraph) is about carriers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5156884#post5156884

I hope that you'll find this info helpful.Smile


Where did you get this idea? Carriers can be fit for triage, or to use fighters (or other drones). This combat role is why they can field more drones than other ships. One of them is even directly bonused towards a combat role.

Why would anyone train a year and invest a few bil into a pos repping ship?



Mila Black wrote:

So everybody becomes as uncreative as you feel you should be in this game? Whats next, letting CCP tell you at what range you should orbit?


Well, I haven't managed to express myself correctly.

The list in the post I've linked clearly states that carriers CAN be used for combat or even ratting roles. They are designed in a specific way and have their advantages and downsides. With that in mind, YES they can be used for "out of the box" stuff and in creative ways, but then the player who uses them that way must be aware of the consequences and downsides of that choice. I don't have anything against carriers used solo in anomalies, but judging by the balancing direction CCP has taken for carriers it certainly looks like they prefer carriers to be used as social ships (in groups) or as support. That means other creative roles are still there, but are less effective and a player should be aware of that.

That's why I said to OP to follow dev blogs - because CCP does rebalancing based on their vision of a role for the ship. You CAN use ships outside CCP's vision, but you have to be prepared to deal with the downsides of your decision and find creative ways to mitigate them instead of complaining on the forums about it. And in most cases knowing what the "intended" role of a ship (or game mechanic) is can and will help you to find a solution to downsides of your way of using it.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2015-01-13 17:14:10 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:


Well, I haven't managed to express myself correctly.

The list in the post I've linked clearly states that carriers CAN be used for combat or even ratting roles. They are designed in a specific way and have their advantages and downsides. With that in mind, YES they can be used for "out of the box" stuff and in creative ways, but then the player who uses them that way must be aware of the consequences and downsides of that choice. I don't have anything against carriers used solo in anomalies, but judging by the balancing direction CCP has taken for carriers it certainly looks like they prefer carriers to be used as social ships (in groups) or as support. That means other creative roles are still there, but are less effective and a player should be aware of that.

That's why I said to OP to follow dev blogs - because CCP does rebalancing based on their vision of a role for the ship. You CAN use ships outside CCP's vision, but you have to be prepared to deal with the downsides of your decision and find creative ways to mitigate them instead of complaining on the forums about it. And in most cases knowing what the "intended" role of a ship (or game mechanic) is can and will help you to find a solution to downsides of your way of using it.


No, you express yourself just fine, problem is that you are quite simply wrong. Using fighters on carriers is not "out of the box" stuff, it's not creative use, it is literally what the carriers are designed for.

The balancing direction CCP has taken most recently with carriers is to reinforce and improve the use of fighters by extending drone skills and modules to effect fighters.

CCP has never made any distinction on ships or weapons about whether they are supposed to shoot other players or NPC ships. Quite simply, if a ship can do nearly 3K dps, it's supposed to blow things up.

As what comes to the topic, CCP has acknowledged there's an issue with drone aggro:

CCP Habakuk wrote:

We are currently investigating this problem.


(From Proteus issues thread)
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#34 - 2015-01-13 17:20:57 UTC
This one time, at renter camp, I lost some glorified drones while ratting, and didn't post about it.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2015-01-13 17:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zeropa wrote:
Went to do what I always did today, warped to Forsaken hub to make some money in my carrier. Deployed 2 geckos and the rest amarr heavy drones. Waited till drones attacked turned ECM Burst II on. First wave died as normal, second wave spawns nothing attacks my carrier and suddenly my gecko is in structure. I return drones to bay still no aggro from npcs. I launch drones again, instantly my drones start taking heavy damage.

I had a corp mate test it in his carrier, same thing. We got another corp mate to test it in his rattlesnake and he seemed to do as normal. So in conclusion I think this might be an issue with drone aggro mechanics


I just tested it with my carrier fit for ratting. 7 Geckos, 2 Infiltrators, 1 Acolyte. Cetus ECM Burst going. Forsaken Hubs and Havens.

No drone aggro at all.



EDIT: while I was typing that npcs killed one of my Geckos (my new ship name will be "screw the Alamo, remember my Gecko", or it would be if it would fit). Now NPCs are totally ignoring me, acting like girls did during my high school years.....

CCP , I demand reimbursement , not for gecko, for being reminded of the lack of high school poon activity.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#36 - 2015-01-13 17:42:38 UTC
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


I am perplexed by this post.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Solecist Project
#37 - 2015-01-13 17:43:39 UTC
*crawls the Kitten again* :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#38 - 2015-01-13 17:44:28 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lanmo Sobral wrote:
Cry Lords after upgrading the fighter began to take damage BS, since not enough frigates and the cruiser now until the BS, a single fighter killed and more expensive than the money collected in the anomaly, I am perplexed by this situation, wanting to lately understand the logic of the CCP, soon the game will come down to frigates, why all this gradually being nerfado, in fact do not understand the logic of the CCP.


If you were at your keyboard, you could scoop the drone when it's taking damage to force the NPC to cycle to another target.


OR, since it's a carrier, use a capital remote rep of some sort to not let the fighter die. And why wasn't the carrier using EWAR to hold aggro on the carrier and off the fighters?

You have to be insanely bad at carrier ratting to let a fighter die.


But...but..

You mean I should play EVE and not go read a book or watch Netflix (you all know that it just means Pron) while I go AFK amdndont watch EVE.

OP, I know 2 solutions:

Actively play EVE if you are so destined to abuse a carrier by ratting in it.

OR

Tell us when you do it next, so we can make sure you wont just lose a fighter this time.

Fixed that
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-01-13 18:07:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


CCP , I demand reimbursement , not for gecko, for being reminded of the lack of high school poon activity.


Don't talk about it please...
JonhIlRosso Parmala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-01-13 18:12:04 UTC
Fixed that pls
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