Crime & Punishment

Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps.

The OP was in a corp in Nullsec. You seem to be so hellbent on pushing your personal agenda that you don't even bother to read what the thread is about.

This was deleted from General Discussion, hopefully I'll be able to repost it in a shorter format here and have a discussion about the issues it raises (one that goes beyond the childish macho platitudes of "you can't hack it, go play WoW etc" I've encountered so far)

Mods, if this isn't the appropriate sub-forum for this particular discussion would you please direct me to where it would be appropriate. Thanks.

So I lost my Megathron Navy Issue to Wardeccers. I'm not really bothered about that in itself, losing ships is of little consequence in Eve, even expensive ones, but how I ended up in the situation where I was in hi-sec having to run mission after mission, just to be able to participate in a nullsec fleet every now and then, has annoyed me a great deal.

Here's the kill in question - https://zkillboard.com/kill/43661459/

I'm not embarassed to show you - losing ships in Eve means nothing if you're having fun in the process, and being OCD about your killboard is counter-productive if you actually want to enjoy this game. I learned that early on. That's not my point here, so please spare me the jibes about how delicious my tears taste etc, my point is how come the game forces people to engage in this tedious grind of hi-sec mission running for ISK, standing, etc but then also includes a mechanic which means that Wardeccers can destroy you whilst you do this unwelcome grind on a total whim? If you're going to make me do a grind for whatever reason, ok I'll accept that, but then don't make that impossible for me as well, because then what I can I do? This seems like a really serious flaw in the gameplay, one that basically crippled my enjoyment of the game and cost me my corp membership, and because of the perpetually adolescent machismo that exists in the community about these things a rational discussion about it seems very difficult.

I was basically locked out of being able to play the game for weeks because I had no money to buy ships to replace my losses in my nullsec corp, no standings to set up jump clones to go somewhere safer to rat/run missions, and no freedom of movement outside the station I was docked in. I spent weeks just in my base spinning my ship because the game led me down a dead end. Couldn't run missions in nullsec because of corp standings and unsafe location, couldn't go to hi-sec beacuse no jump-clone and Wardeccers. Couldn't do anything basically. All I could do is grind then die, grind then die, over and over.

I have a terrible feeling that the way this game is designed is that once they get your first set of subs, they don't really care what happens after that, they don't care once they've banked the money, and they've designed a business model which assumes that the bulk of people won't play after it dawns on them that the "This is Eve" is stuff is basically impossible for newer players to get involved with unless you're prepared to spend several years doing hi-sec carebear stuff first. I have this terrible feeling that a game I genuinely enjoyed in it's better moments is little better than a scam once you scratch beneath the surface.

My corp CEO actually said that "you'll get killed 100% if you go into hi-sec" and I said "I know this, but what choice do I have? Unsubscribe?" so I had to do it. If I could relive the whole thing I would do the exact same thing. And that's what bugs me more than losing the ship, this knawing feeling that I've been conned into buying a game that promises something that's actually beyond the reach of most new people playing the game.

So I'm wondering what to do next, as I still have 6 months left of my subscription, what options are there? Nullsec PVP is ruled out, so should I go for something like Faction Warfare? What's Red vs Blue like? I was in a wormhole corp with some friends when I first started, and that was fun, but it gets a bit boring tbh after a while if your WH never gets anyone visiting for a fight. How about organised griefing and Wardeccing in hi-sec? It seems pretty easy and you get to take out your frustrations and disappointments in the game against unsuspecting new players. I did a bit of hi-sec catalyst ganking and that's a cheap laugh, but there's not much challenge in it. Is there a way of doing this on a bigger scale? Is specifically targetting brand new players who are likely to ragequit also allowed when it comes to griefing?

Here he is again, Throwing in the bullshit "Advice" Joining a Player corp is not a scary or stupid thing to do in High sec, Its the use of initiative and common sense that people lack that make them think "I'll join the NPC Corp, Player corps are dangerous" And cause people to take stupid losses, Just play smart and Hi sec is perfectly fine for people in a Player corp

OP was in a war and got blown up in highsec. If you fly in highsec....don't be in a real player corp. It's so simple that even you should be able to grasp it.

Nice attitude there: it's the game mechanics that made me do it!

If you don't want to be blown up, EVE is the wrong game for you. Besides, there are worse things than getting blown up.

Paying tax to the NPC corp will really add up over time and the only utility that comes from it is protection from wardeccing. Instead of occasionally taking a loss while under a wardec (maybe) you're taking a loss continually in taxes. Do the math.

It's not particularly difficult to deal with wardecs: Surviving Wardecs.

Seriously, Veers just wants you to ignore highsec corps because that way his CODE main has an easier target.

First thing is to calm down dude....new order agents should not lose their cool. Here is CCP Fozzie in the CSM 9 minutes "CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way."

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

This was in reference to Awoxxing...but the same applies to wars...they make it better to simply be in a 1 man/npc corp, and discourage player interaction. They are, quite simply, bad for the game. In past CSM minutes many have advocated getting rid of wardeccs entirely. Feel free to do some of your own research.

I am happy to accept your apology, sir.

Awoxxing and wars are completely different things. There are several flaws here:

- When I was in a 1 man corp, I interacted with nobody else in the game. It was 24x7 PVE grind and it was boring as hell.
- Most corps are not created principally to attract wardecs, but to avoid taxes and share resources.
- When you join a multi-person corp, you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.
- When your corp is decc'ed you are by definition increasing the interactions that you have with other players.

Have you ever actually stayed under a wardec for any length of time Veers?