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Wardeccers cost me my corp/alliance membership, need advice
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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#81 - 2015-01-14 06:44:41 UTC
Other forms of PvP?
You could try:
Mission Flipping
Hunting explorers
Faction Warfare
Lowsec piracy
Wormhole invasions
Miner/hauler ganking
I'm sure there are others, those are just the ones that come to mind right now.

As far as your former corp is concerned though you have to keep what's good for you at the foremost. Sure they may have frowned on the notion, but if you are being put into a position that's not tenable by them then that's a matter that needs to be addressed.

As far as the community goes, if you're posting in GD or C&P you need a thick skin and a healthy sense of humor. Without those your forum tank is going to be paper thin. Worse, if it becomes readily apparent that you're easily goaded into anger then you make yourself a target for the trolls. Spewing vitriol indiscriminately is also a good way to meet some very interesting people in the game. Usually by surprise.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2015-01-14 06:45:24 UTC
Mount Sumaco wrote:
Cannibal Kane can speak for himself (or not, as he chooses). You have a point; just because I have a healthy level of respect/fear of the man does not automatically mean you should.


But you were speaking for him. You made some clear claims on his behalf.

I'd like to know what I should be scared of please. You were able to speak on his behalf when making the threats so you should be able answer this question.
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2015-01-14 06:47:05 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Other forms of PvP?
You could try:
Mission Flipping
Hunting explorers
Faction Warfare
Lowsec piracy
Wormhole invasions
Miner/hauler ganking
I'm sure there are others, those are just the ones that come to mind right now.

As far as your former corp is concerned though you have to keep what's good for you at the foremost. Sure they may have frowned on the notion, but if you are being put into a position that's not tenable by them then that's a matter that needs to be addressed.

As far as the community goes, if you're posting in GD or C&P you need a thick skin and a healthy sense of humor. Without those your forum tank is going to be paper thin. Worse, if it becomes readily apparent that you're easily goaded into anger then you make yourself a target for the trolls. Spewing vitriol indiscriminately is also a good way to meet some very interesting people in the game. Usually by surprise.


Thank you!

Could you tell me more about lowsec piracy?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#84 - 2015-01-14 06:51:15 UTC
I deal primarily in high sec mission flipping honestly. There are others who are more knowledgeable than I when it comes to low sec.
I'd recommend giving The Pirate Stories thread a good read as a starter though.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-01-14 06:57:20 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
As far as the community goes, if you're posting in GD or C&P you need a thick skin and a healthy sense of humor. Without those your forum tank is going to be paper thin. Worse, if it becomes readily apparent that you're easily goaded into anger then you make yourself a target for the trolls. Spewing vitriol indiscriminately is also a good way to meet some very interesting people in the game. Usually by surprise.


Don't worry about this btw, I'm touched by your concern but should be apparent by now I'm more angry about the terrible standard of grammar on some people's posts than the actual content of the game!
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#86 - 2015-01-14 07:08:11 UTC
Our first course of action is to change that mindset.
Do you wish to learn to snuggle?

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2015-01-14 07:30:31 UTC
huh...... stopped reading da original post in 2nd para.....

it is no way the dead end for player being war-dec'ced, many players like me got perma-dec'ced and is still playing around in HS. war dec??? who give a damn about this lol

you've joined a NS corp, then hangout with them in NS, if you don't know how to get there, just ask them. it is often a 1st test for new comers to get their pod into new home system, if you failed and give-up on it, you do not deserve a place in corp.

learning curve for eve is like a cliff, are you going to give-up and fell off? we have free boosts over that hill :p

RIP Iron Lady
Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-01-14 08:06:34 UTC
Posadas alt of Veers or next highsec crusader?
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#89 - 2015-01-14 08:14:42 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Join Estel Arador Corp Services to get your Jump Clones, that is what they do, then leave and join back your original corp.
Sorry, we're at war with them too. Oops

@Posadas : Why dont you join the corp Veers is in ? You would fit in perfectly. Pirate

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#90 - 2015-01-14 09:10:11 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:
Join Estel Arador Corp Services to get your Jump Clones, that is what they do, then leave and join back your original corp.
Sorry, we're at war with them too. Oops

@Posadas : Why dont you join the corp Veers is in ? You would fit in perfectly. Pirate
DrysonBennington's corp would probably be a good fit too Twisted

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2015-01-14 09:26:06 UTC
Feel dirty for replying to this trainwreck now X

Posadas. Sadasop.
Sad. Aso. Player.

Troll.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2015-01-14 10:01:40 UTC
Don Purple wrote:
Our first course of action is to change that mindset.
Do you wish to learn to snuggle?


Free snuggles?

Count me in!!

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#93 - 2015-01-14 10:24:51 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Our first course of action is to change that mindset.
Do you wish to learn to snuggle?


Free snuggles?

Count me in!!
Purple snuggles, best snuggles.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#94 - 2015-01-14 10:57:51 UTC
Posadas wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
First, you were flying a Navy Megathron - a ship that is much more expensive than a standard Megathron but that only offers a small performance boost. As such, I would immediately conclude 'rich pickings'. I started as a PVE player, but did not use a ship more expensive than a tech 2 fitted Dominix for quite a considerable time.

Secondly, you were carrying out PVE activities during a war. This isn't a death sentence if you do them carefully, but you need to be in agile ships. A Deimos or Proteus costs less than a Navythron, and is much easier to escape a trap in. Both of those ships are capable of doing level 4 missions (if that is your thing).

Thirdly, you are using tech 1 guns despite tech 2 ones being *so much better*. Not unforgivable on a tech 1 battleship (that's a pretty sensible step for a rookie) but a very poor move on an expensive ship.

Fourth, you are mixing active and buffer tanking. Missions pretty much require an active tank (exceptions are rare), and that plate is doing almost nothing for you.

Fifth, you were killed by a Cynabal. You would have had ample warning of a hostile in local - even if it had a neutral prober, a Cynabal would have taken at least a minute to warp to your mission pocket then warp to you through one or more acceleration gates.

Sixth, you had invested too much effort in amplifying drone damage in your fit.


There. You just learned six expensive lessons. Recover, then, if you desire it, seek revenge. It's the EVE way. Or, as CCP put it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q


100% agree with all this but it's missing the point.

The problem is I shouldn't have been in the position where I'm having to spend weeks at a time doing this boring grind just to participate in hot sexy nullsec action every now and then. I'm well aware of all the mistakes I had made once i'd already got to that point, my disappointment lies with the fact I had to be in hi-sec grinding missions at all, not in what happened once I got there.

So don't mission, and go hunting the million-isk-per belt rats in nullsec.

Posadas wrote:

As for fitting - it was my prestige bling boat, stupidly overpowered for the missions I was running (which is why the fit is the way it is) but the only other ship I had was a Brutix which I couldn't really do the level 4's solo with. I have other ships elsewhere in New Eden but no in places I could get too easily (Thera)


Just looked it up.
I'm pretty close to calling it a mercy kill. As Sabriz mentioned, there are some (serious) problems with it.

Posadas wrote:
As for the evading wardeccers, as a matter of fact I used to get so bored doing the missions I'd just go to a trade hub (usually Dodixie) and try and provoke them into chasing me in different ships just for my own amusement and to practice evasion etc. Good fun as it happens - which is why I can't hold any sort of grudge against Marmite and so on, cos I got more fun out of them trying to kill me than I did from the PvP stuff I was trying to do in nullsec.

Thanks for the considered reply though. CODE seem pretty cool.



Learn different (better) way to make ISK. Go have fun with Marmites, etc.

Confirming "bad guy" pilots are generally pretty awesome.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Velicitia
XS Tech
#95 - 2015-01-14 11:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Posadas wrote:
Mount Sumaco wrote:
Cannibal Kane can speak for himself (or not, as he chooses). You have a point; just because I have a healthy level of respect/fear of the man does not automatically mean you should.


But you were speaking for him. You made some clear claims on his behalf.

I'd like to know what I should be scared of please. You were able to speak on his behalf when making the threats so you should be able answer this question.


Look bud, you're what ... 3-4 months in... when vets (and/or their forum alts) are telling you to have a healthy respect for a man, you do it. Kane's work ... nay, his life ... is to destroy the foolish.

One of my favorite quotes concerning him:

"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS


Now, he's an awesome guy to talk to ... have learned a few things from him in the short time since having decided to go my own way, and not have to worry so much about the repercussions from posting on the forums (or talking to these "bad guy" types) towards anyone but me.

edit -- oh yeah, read this too

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2015-01-14 11:33:35 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Posadas wrote:
[quote=Sabriz Adoudel]First, you were flying a Navy Megathron - a ship that is much more expensive than a standard Megathron but that only offers a small performance boost. As such, I would immediately conclude 'rich pickings'. I started as a PVE player, but did not use a ship more expensive than a tech 2 fitted Dominix for quite a considerable time.

Secondly, you were carrying out PVE activities during a war. This isn't a death sentence if you do them carefully, but you need to be in agile ships. A Deimos or Proteus costs less than a Navythron, and is much easier to escape a trap in. Both of those ships are capable of doing level 4 missions (if that is your thing).

Thirdly, you are using tech 1 guns despite tech 2 ones being *so much better*. Not unforgivable on a tech 1 battleship (that's a pretty sensible step for a rookie) but a very poor move on an expensive ship.

Fourth, you are mixing active and buffer tanking. Missions pretty much require an active tank (exceptions are rare), and that plate is doing almost nothing for you.

Fifth, you were killed by a Cynabal. You would have had ample warning of a hostile in local - even if it had a neutral prober, a Cynabal would have taken at least a minute to warp to your mission pocket then warp to you through one or more acceleration gates.

Sixth, you had invested too much effort in amplifying drone damage in your fit.


There. You just learned six expensive lessons. Recover, then, if you desire it, seek revenge. It's the EVE way. Or, as CCP put it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q


So don't mission, and go hunting the million-isk-per belt rats in nullsec.

Just looked it up.
I'm pretty close to calling it a mercy kill. As Sabriz mentioned, there are some (serious) problems with it.


Learn different (better) way to make ISK. Go have fun with Marmites, etc.

Confirming "bad guy" pilots are generally pretty awesome.


This is all true but not really relevant. As much as I appreciate your advice this is stuff I already know.

I don't even think I actually made any attempt to fit it for PvE - I was running the missions with a Brutix and getting hammered so I thought I'd take the Navy Issue out for a spin to get it over with.

another factor was it was pretty late, like 2am, and I'd been running these god-awful missions for days straight trying to boost standings, sort jumpclones, generate ISK etc so I could get back to the safety of nullsec and start playing the game again. There's absolutely no way I'd have let that ship die in any other circumstance - usually I bail out at the first sign of wardeccers in local, let alone when there's combar scanners. The sheer mind-liquifying boredom of running missions had slipping into a soporific state of somnambulance (sorry Orwell....) and that's somethign that pisses me off, that I was trapped by a peculiar mix of gameplay mechanics, inactive and disinterested corp-mates and total boredom,

As for ratting - that's easier said than done where I was, especially as the ships I had in my nullsec stations were either Vexor Navy Ishtar replacements I was using in fleets, a couple of Nemesis's for covert ops and travelling etc, and ceptors for scouting on fleets (which is what I was mainly doing until I had trained to fly an Ishtar and learning the ropes etc) now correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't solo ratting in nullsec in a Vexor Navy be just as stupid as doing it in hi-sec? Sure the loss is much less, but I honestly couldn't care about that tbh. It also doesn't do much about the standings problem. The little system we were in always had people coming through looking for ganks etc (which is fine) but what's the point in having a corp when no-one bothers undocking? I'd be sat there, watching all these little ships rolling in and out, and my instinct is to go out there and fight with 'em, regardless of outcome, but no-one else was bothered.

Anyway I managed to get some petty vengence on a wardeccer during my suicidal insurance-money spree earlier which has cheered me up. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43859967/

Fair play to Blade VII for accepting a fight even though there were other ships in the area that would take advantage of it and finish him off once I started. I managed to go through dozens of nullsec systems without anyone being up for a fight in an algos earlier on.

Still got a few more ships to burn through before all my insurance money is gone. I'm giving half my insurance money to whoever kills me so if I see you around in hi-sec just invite me to duel and get yourself a good kill.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#97 - 2015-01-14 11:37:58 UTC
Posadas wrote:

As for ratting - that's easier said than done where I was, especially as the ships I had in my nullsec stations were either Vexor Navy Ishtar replacements I was using in fleets, a couple of Nemesis's for covert ops and travelling etc, and ...


So, would it be a bad time to point out that I used to "rat" in hulks down there?

Seriously -- the mil-isk-per rats are battleships. Fly around in a bomber and blap them.


Posadas wrote:
Still got a few more ships to burn through before all my insurance money is gone. I'm giving half my insurance money to whoever kills me so if I see you around in hi-sec just invite me to duel and get yourself a good kill.


cue everyone and their mother running locators...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2015-01-14 11:42:18 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Posadas wrote:

As for ratting - that's easier said than done where I was, especially as the ships I had in my nullsec stations were either Vexor Navy Ishtar replacements I was using in fleets, a couple of Nemesis's for covert ops and travelling etc, and ...


So, would it be a bad time to point out that I used to "rat" in hulks down there?

Seriously -- the mil-isk-per rats are battleships. Fly around in a bomber and blap them.



Y'know I was warned off that by others in corp/alliance, but I have a feeling it's because there was quite a lot of competition for doing the belts quickly in that system and they were trying to keep the good **** for themselves. Cos this is what I actually wanted to do in the first instance rather than go up to hi-sec!

Usually late to the party though whenever I tried. you know you're not getting your money's worth when your killing the rats on the gates for ISK.

As for location, just head to diaderi in hi-sec that's where I'm based atm, I'll be roaming around there trying to start trouble so if you see me say hi and we'll have a fight. You never know, I might even win :P
Dreaded Vengance
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#99 - 2015-01-14 11:50:12 UTC
Posadas wrote:


Anyway I managed to get some petty vengence on a wardeccer during my suicidal insurance-money spree earlier which has cheered me up. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43859967/



He solo'd your Catalyst then died 4 minutes later to a Machariel with your loot in his cargo. If he'd experienced a session change you wouldn't be on the killmail.
Posadas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-01-14 11:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Posadas
Dreaded Vengance wrote:
Posadas wrote:


Anyway I managed to get some petty vengence on a wardeccer during my suicidal insurance-money spree earlier which has cheered me up. https://zkillboard.com/kill/43859967/



He solo'd your Catalyst then died 4 minutes later to a Machariel with your loot in his cargo. If he'd experienced a session change you wouldn't be on the killmail.


You think I'm actually interested in winning fights at this stage? I'm trying to lose these ships deliberately so I can get ISK and give it friends I've been playing with who've helped me out and such like at this point, and cos starting fights randomly is funny and enjoyable (which let's be honest 99% of this game is not) even when you're being killed.

I just respect the guy for taking the invite to duel even though there were other ships in the area that would do him in for it. Fair play. I gave him 15 million ISK for his trouble.