Crime & Punishment

Your standard and only riposte throughout this thread shows a lack of imagination and originality, terrible troll 0/10.

HTFU

I never claimed that the game was perfect, but you being drawn out as a target is by design. Why do you assume that highsec under wardec is any safer than nullsec? Highsec is suppose to have conflict - in fact Jita is probably the most dangerous system in the game most days - it is just tempered a bit by CONCORD and the faction police which makes the tactics slightly different.

If there is a kernel of an argument in there, it is that part of the problem is that highsec pays too well for the reduced risk. Given the opportunity to mission in highsec under the free protection of CONCORD, or earn ISK in nullsec, nullsec should win hands down each time. Your alliance was responsible for the security of your null home and thus should have been much more profitable for you to stay there than to mission in highsec. Now under a wardec, clearly null is much safer than highsec so you made an error in coming back to highsec no matter how you look at it, but still, you shouldn't be tempted with that risk-free ISK in the first place.

The core of your problem was clearly a poor corp. They should provide protection for you and opportunities to make income if you are going to live in null. They should also be able to front/lend you ships to make money if you suffer a loss or are starting out. And they should teach you to PvE under wardec or in null (which is always under threat). If you are not getting any benefits from being in their corp, you are much better off in an NPC corp as you have fewer of the downside risks, and none of their wars. Dust yourself off, find a new, better corp that will actually support you, and learn from your mistakes and get on with the game.

Stupid OP is stupid.

First his terribad thread gets deleted.

Thinking he is entitled, he then reposts his sad sob story in C&P, and then expects sympathy.

He is given great advice, for free, and then ignores it, being he is stupid.

To OP: get out of my damn spaceship game.

I believe Star Trek Online is thataway

You will love it. Its free, there is no PVP, and even if you get blowed up, it doesn't matter anyway.

You will also be able to walk in a starbase and shoot people with fire extinguishers.


Have fun, and give me all your stuffs before you cancel your sub.

^^ you're not good enough to be beta.

New Eden is a sandbox. To make it interesting there are many ways to gather resources but all of them have a way to be interfered with by other players. This is intended and required to make a viable sandbox game. You have the freedom to make your way through them as you want, but don't expect any income to be handed to you risk-free. Take the risk, you earn the reward. That is the game.


I blow up new players from time-to-time in the course of enforcing the Code and when they show a good attitude, it is quite rewarding to give them advice on why they were exploded and how to avoid it in the future. If you don't find that rewarding, then just blow them up - the lesson is still taught the same. As long as you stay within the EULA, you have the freedom to do whatever you'd like.




If you knew it was risky why did you do it? If you must mission in highsec, which for the record most sane players do not do regularly, then do it in a one-man corp or NPC corp. Otherwise you would have been better off in wormholes, or ratting in null, or even doing missions in lowsec than in highsec under wardec. And if you must do it in highsec under wardec you can still be safe, although I would probably have used a less expensive ship and perhaps stuck to blitzing L3s.

Wardecs provide risk to highsec as you have found out and they are working as intended. Highsec is not suppose to be safe - anyone who has told you this is mistaken. The game isn't broken - you just didn't/don't understand how the game works. It is PvP everywhere - EvE is "Everyone vs. Everyone".

If you are having trouble figuring this out, find a corp that can help teach you. Ranting on the forums that the game isn't what you expected or think it should be is not especially productive.

Well Nullsec PvP is what drew me to the game, but after having a dabble and running into a brick wall just as I was finding my feet and enjoying it I'd like to try something else. That was kinda the point of the threat, to hear suggestions of alternatives to Nullsec PvP from people.

I don't see how someone who's had a bad experience with the game and feels like they're being scammed should be considered humiliating - this sort of nonsense is what I was referring to when I first mentioned that it's difficult to even raise concerns about the way the game is designed without provoking the ire of overly brand-loyal fanboys with this (unintentionally hilarious) nerds machismo.

I can live without nullsec PvP now I know how it works - this isn't a part of the game that interests me because I've been there, had a go, ended up stuck in a position where I'm spending inordinate amounts of time running boring missions just to enable me to occasionally get in a fleet and have some fun.

I'm not suggesting my situation is typical, a bit of bad luck played a role for sure, but I can't be the only person in the this game who's faced these sorts of problems, and repeating CCP's blatantly false marketing spiel about how this a perfect sandbox with no restrictions of imperatives to guide your actions in any direction etc isn't going to cut it (as so many of the replies have so sadly been) it's just pure denial.

Can't respond to everyone on the thread right now, I'll try and get back to everyone who made a thoughtful reply as soon as I can though.

Join Estel Arador Corp Services to get your Jump Clones, that is what they do, then leave and join back your original corp.

Then rat in Nul for ISK.

Problem solved.

I didn't miss the fact that you were ganking miners in high sec, ironically in the very same region where you lost your Navy Mega. Nor the fact that you didn't actually address my post but instead went on the defensive or tried to call out anyone that said maybe the problem is you.

You saw fit to take away someones means for making money in high sec using the game mechanics available to you, yet when the same happened to you, you decided to hit the forums and complain. I wonder what your response to one of those miners would have been?

So yes, grow a spine.

What's wrong with ganking miners in hi-sec? Isn't this one of the many features of the game that should be praised and encouraged?

Likewise there's nothing inherently wrong with Wardeccing - it's a dynamic that could probably do with tweaking some extent (and I'd be happy to discuss possible ideas for this on another thread maybe) but it's the sequence of events that led to me being stuck in hi-sec running missions in a very expensive ship, whilst a war dec was on, as it was the only way I had to engage in Nullsec PvP, that's the root cause of my concern.

If I'd got killed as a result of recklessness, or naivity, or refusal to listen to advice etc then you'd be right - but the fact that I got caught up in this process even though I knew it was reckless, even though I had advice telling me not too, that I ended up in that ship at that time, with my posterior exposed waiting for Marmite to come along and have their wicked way with me, because it was either that or sit in my station and do nothing, this is the root of the problem, and like it or not that's not a problem that can be reduced down to my personal behaviour. If I could relive the whole thing I'd do it all again cos I can't see what else I could've done bar quit the corp and start over?

Al lot the cliche's and advice I've heard from people are banal truisms that anyone who's been playing the game for more than week ought to be aware of, and don't get anwhere near the issue at hand. The only people who've made any attempt to think about this properly are the people who've sent me mails privately and written considered replies - to those people, thank you, I will respond to you all in detail once this thread is over with.

I haven't spent any time here complaining about Marmite Collective - they have my respect. They're a more honest incarnation of the spirit of Eve than the stuff i've heard from you. They did what they do, it's part of the game, it's not their actions I'm bothered by (cos their actions aren't a problem) and it's not losing a ship that I'm bothered by - it's the fact I was put into that position in the first place that annoys me, that I was wrapped up in time-consuming mission grinding, making me a stupidly easy target for wardeccers, as a means to play the game.

You can't expect people to have to do this mission grinding in a game then throw in a feature that makes said mission grinding borderline-impossible. Either change the way in which the missions work, how standings work, or change wardeccing, because the combination of the two in this particular scenario is a nightmare and a real problem, not a figment of my imagination.

A closer reading of what I've been saying might've spared me some trouble in explaining this.

OP, I was in your shoes once. When I first started playing I lost my precious Brutix to a guy who probed me in my mission, stole my loot and baited me into aggressing him. He promptly squished me like a bug.

I was very close to letting my sub lapse and just move on with my life. But I did something crazy...I started to research the game, its mechanics, fitted up some ships and went to low sec. And I've stayed here for nearly all of the last 2 and a half years.

My point is that you shouldn't throw your hands in the air and say "I quit." You need to read blogs, articles, guides, etc to understand this game, and then actually do it to learn it. You experienced a war dec from Marmite. So what? You make it seem like you're completely stuck when you're not.

There's always more corps out there. Sure, you have your group of people you like, but you can always stay in touch. Play this game how you want to play it, not how you think others want you to.When it comes down to it, you're the one paying for the sub and it's your enjoyment.

With that said, stop being so defensive. Eve has a lot of trolls and you'll have to filter that out, but there is a lot of solid advice in here. It would do you well to listen to/think about it.

As far as what you said about how "you can't be good in this game unless you've played for 3 years" (or whatever it was, exactly), that is a complete and utter LIE. A good Eve-friend of mine used the 20 day multi-character training thing to create a brand spankin new character to PvP with. Not even a week into it and (s)he has 19 kills, zero losses with an Atron that did 38 dps for the first few days.

It's all about attitude and resourcefulness, and I suggest you take a moment to examine yourself on both.