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it used tobe like that awhile ago but they changed it,

before ya could not place a bounty on ppl that for example robbed ya corp as they had good concord standings etc
or like ya wanted to place a bounty on ya competition

downside now is that they place bounty on everyone yust for the laughs

they have mentioned they want to change the bounty mechanic but unclear how, and looks more like changing it so that there cn be bountyunters

what they could do is change the wanted into bounty or something so it looks less evil

In EVE... no one is "innocent."

Just because you "abide by the law" is does not mean I (or someone else) may not have a problem with you (for whatever reason).

In fact, there are many, many ways where you can screw over other players without breaking any in-game mechanic or rule.


And before you say "well, this isn't realistic, innocent people don't get bountied in RL!" I must point out that this is very untrue.
If you take a history or current events course (or two) you'll see many, many, MANY examples of people having prices put on their heads because they pissed off the wrong people.

Examples:
- Native Americans in early USA history were scalped for bounties... which included women and children.
- Politicians in various countries have put bounties on the heads of people around the world for media that "insulted their religion/public morality/national pride."
- The Black Panthers (Militant African American rights group) once put a bounty on a US politician.

The list goes on.

I agree with this, it should be the old way (I have read about it as soon as you mentioned it thanks to our good old friend Google, haha!) with a few improvements it would make sense.



You see, we actually agree here, if you read my original post you would see i am a role-player, i would be okay with a Gallente, or an rival doing it, not a random for the "lolz" and then saying I am trying to scam them when I ask them about it like a moron. IF you were indeed against Ishukone then I would welcome it, but what I am asking is different, please read next bit for more detail as i don't think ill have space to type it twice, sorry :(



I understand this, I like that fact about the game, once again these weren't for "the lolz" and did you not read the original post? I am not that bad of a role-player where i think this is RL.. but I think it should be changed, or atlas removed the "Wanted" thing on your picture unless you are in enemy space, cause you can't have a friendly Corporation, working for a group like, for instance, the Caldari Navy, who is "Wanted" by the Caldari navy, and onto of that, if you are "Wanted" you should have the ability to apeal it, or pay something off so it is removed, and High Sec should be cut off from you, as I am sure even you guys can admit, even in RL the military won't give work to someone that military wants dead, so to basically point out what i mean:

I think the bounty system should be modified to do the following:

- If you are "Wanted" in High Sec there should be a way to appeal the Bounty (I.E. Get it removed/revoked, player who placed bounty does not get his bounty amount returned, punishment for players who abuse the Bounty system, ect.).

- To place a Bounty you must have a legitimate reason, (like they do in RL life once again) and the minimum Bounty raised to something higher, or have restrictions, like cannot place on player you have never spoken to or a player who has not committed crimes.

I just think it is a system people abuse, and after talking to my mate he has told me it is abused a lot just for fun, like I have no problem if say, a member of the Tiber Heth supporters, or a Gallente player Federation puts a bounty on me, but even in RL when you want someone dead, you don't but a few thousand on their head, it's normally millions, and for people high ranking, like CEO's and Directors, their should be a minimum, i just want it to be treated like an actually mechanic, not to be used as a fun way to annoy carebears, like the guy who bountied me must have done it to everone else in the system, cause everyone on local was going crazy about it (I was traveling through the Forge I am pretty sure..).

It is an awesome mechanic but it should have addition rules or requirements, high minimum bounties, ways to get rid of it, ways to get it lowered, consequences for abusing it, ect.

And in EVE just btw, there are innocents, and then there are though who follow the law, and yada yada, I mean, I even carry a black box and clearence papers in every fit I use, just for roleplaying purposes, and I have not broken any of New Edens laws, I haven't targeted non-combatants, all I fight are pirates (NPC's) and soon FW opponents.

P.S. people in RL don't put a Million dollar bounty on a guy because, "oh.. I don't like that ship.." or "the lolz".

And this is what I mean, point proven, are you at least going to give me a legit reason so I can actually feel good about this? Proud even, or is this "for the lolz"? I honestly don't care how big of a bounty it is, I just want to make it go with the role-play experience, it would be nice when we finally join FW to have a big bounty, but i still like it to fit, know what I mean?

I don't want to ruin you gaming experience of trolling people or having fun in your own way, I mean, that is why I love this game, but don't ruin mine, by that I mean give me a reason for the bounty, would make it make sense to me at least

No.

That's the point of this system. I do not have to provide a reason that is satisfactory to you before I am allowed to act. I can do as I please, regardless of the reason.

That's called player freedom.

Heh, buddy, most bounties are paid out in such small increments that it is quite literally pointless to kill someone just for the bounty.

They are without consequence, and absolutely cannot restrict or impact someone else's gameplay experience in any significant way. In fact, the most impact they actually have is to put that Wanted poster on your character profile.




Then I suggest you report him to CCP so that they can contact his local law enforcement.

But aside from that necessary action, I do not yield to emotional hostage taking.

When someone threatens to kill themselves if you don't do something in their favor.

The correct action is always to inform the authorities, and get them the help they need. But if they're just throwing a tantrum and trying to escalate to get their way, then that is unacceptable.

So, aside from trying to strengthen your exceedingly shaky point by bringing up that guy, I have no idea why you would have mentioned it in the first place, as it is not relevant.




It can be.

Why do you believe that you can't put a price on the head of an "innocent" person? I'm given to understand that murdering people for money, regardless of their legal status, is a thriving industry in pretty much every country in the world.

The bounty mechanic explicitly exists so that you have the option to sanction a player who hasn't broken the (crimewatch) law but who has managed to **** you off in some way.

Alexi Drakenovic... bear in mind that what constitutes a "legitimate reason" is in the eye of the beholder. And no computer or mechanical system can reliably discern intent.

What YOU consider to be a "lol-worthy" reason for putting a bounty on a person... I can consider it perfectly legitimate. The same is true in reverse.


Welcome to EVE where there are no "good guys." Only bad, not so bad, and "holyshit, you did WHAT??"

This game literally exemplifies "Moral Relativity."


It already exists. It's called "dying."
If you were hoping for another way to remove the bounty... well... that would rather defeat the point of putting a bounty on someone, wouldn't it?

Example: "Hmmm... someone hates me enough to put a bounty on me. Oh well, pay it off and I don't have to worry about it anymore."

As for the "play the way you want to without being forced to do anything" statements...
Unfortunately for you... every aspect of the game is forcing you do to certain things for or against players that you may or may not want to do... because that is how the game itself was designed to be (see: bring players into conflict with one another through mechanical freedom to perform any action they want even if it runs counter to other players' freedoms).

Examples:
- In order to fly ships and fit them up you MUST...
--- harvest, build, and move stuff yourself.
--- pay someone else to do it for you.

- In order to defend yourself you MUST...
--- learn how the game mechanics work and PvP a bit.
--- pay someone else to defend you.

- In order to live in 0.0 space you MUST...
--- learn to be REALLY good at avoiding unfriendly encounters.
--- be "self sufficient" (which may require either of the two above examples).
--- join a 0.0 group so you have support.

You have the freedom to do ALL of the above. You just don't have the freedom to "opt out" of it.


edit:
btw... I put a 10 million ISK bounty on Alexi... because his posts offend me (and yes, I consider this a legitimate reason for placing a bounty).


Oh no... this is EXACTLY how the real world works. The only difference between EVE and the real world is that in the real world most people are either too poor to afford a hitman, too scared of the repercussions, and/or the cost-benefit of killing a random person isn't worthwhile (for either the hitman or the bounty placer).

EVE is a dystopia. So none of the above restrictions apply here.

On the off chance that you didn't start this thread in order to troll and / or increase the bounty on your head, New Eden *is* the PvP arena in this game.