Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Now every thing should be possible to have in ship cargo holds.
Hauling in a capital ( not JF) sorry - 2j max per day usually - that is something that JF can do almost in 1 jump ... and it can jump again quite fast.

Using carriers to haul stuff ( in SMA haulers ) is not an issue any more.

Current restrictions are just annoying now.

Please stop repeating what CCP will do till they do it. It might be the 20th anniversary of eve before all the changes they want are in to nerf JF range and by then have forgotten about it.

All ship with the "hauler" trait keep the current limitation while others don't. We know the "hauler" trait exist since they all get the same reduction to jump fatigue generation.

Well they would still need to make addition for "can fit strip miner" to include the barge and exhumer but that flag exist too I guess so vOv.

To be completely honest I don't think we need even this much. Loading max skilled fully expanded haulers into a carrier full of compressed ore you're going to get less than 1/3 the capacity of a poorly skilled Jump Freigher. Granted a carrier is a more capable transport but it'll still die in a horrible fire as a hauler. If people are willing to take the chance let them, it'll make for more of those "player interacitons" CCP are always saying they want more of.

In any case, all I really want is for it to be a little less painful to pack and unpack things from my carriers. Logistics in EVE are already horribly painful and unfun, this one small quality of life change would at least alleviate an appreciable chunk of the unfun part.

Well, currently I use a T1 hauler to carry my spare ammo, bombs, cap boosters, and paste when I pack my carrier up for deployment. This would put an end to that.

I mean, I need the hauler (a Mammoth) anyway for other purposes wherever I go, so if I have to drag it along with me, I might as well toss my spare charges in it. As we all know, cap boosters especially can be hard currency if you're out in the boonies.

You're spectacularly deluded and you have to keep reducing yourself to absurdity to justify why these dumb restrictions are still a thing. All you do with such ridiculous things is make yourself look like a clown. None of those things is comparable to a ship that already hauls other ships, can't be made to haul other items with even a significant fraction of the efficiency of a JF, and would be a significant quality of life change for yknow people that actually use their ships.

Seems to be two camps of people in here.

The one's who want to be able to fit things other than just charges in their combat ships while moving (+1 for this much)
We can all agree that it would be nice not to have to unload all non charge mods from our ships while moving them by carrier.

And the ones who look at removing the restriction as a way to get the first point, and then also a cheap bulk hauler for when you are moving things short distances or already taking a carrier (or several) along somewhere.

I have yet to see anyone explain why the second part should be a part of the combat focused carrier class at all. Everyone is just waving their hands going "That would be cool, and so I want it" with a side order of "It's not as good at it as the ultra specialized JF (no **** Sherlock) just like every other thread in F&I where the poster feels entitled to exactly what he proposes.

In the simplest terms possible, a carrier is not currently a hauler for anything except fitted ships and charges.


Why should it change so that a carrier can haul 20 times more than it can currently, of any type of item it wants?

+1 to combat ships holding non charge items. -1 to industrials being abused as giant transit boxes.

Since we are on the topic of cargo restrictions, here's my 2 cents.

SMB - As was suggested, removing all restrictions would be great for anyone using them. You could balance it out by either:
1. Having the cargo from stored ships affect the fleet hangar space available. For instance, a carrier has 10 000 m3, so if I try to put a hauler with 11 000 m3 used, I would get an error. If I then remove some items and they only take 9 000 m3, the fleet hangar will have 1 000 m3 left available.
2. Remove all restrictions, but have total cargo m3 (your ships and the ships it's hauling) affect jump fatigue. This means that ships with 90% jump fatigue reduction should be relatively unaffected, but the others would see a significant delay on their jump fatigues if they try to haul 10x more then they were designed to. emergent gameplay, risk vs reward.

SMA - Very similar, but please remove restrictions there as well. With the addition of mobile depots to the game and things such as refitting t3 subs in space, I feel it has become common place to carry spare mods in cargo bays. It is actually easier (and slightly more efficient) to carry cargo containers in your ships to separate fits and loot. In wh's though, I must always drop the cans (then not forget to grab them) whenever I store a ship. You can, however, store a ship with a fleet hangar full of those containers which is either a intended or a forgotten fluke.

NEWS FLASH: you can already fiil haulers with ammo

We are not talking ammo here, that is currently and always has been OK

We are talking, spare tank modules, mobile depot, Liquid Ozone (For lighting cynos) drugs, mobile tractor units etc