Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I AM SO GAME FOR THIS...

Also hardners and logi refits... Basilisks and guardians should be orcaable with their spare cap links to go from 4/2 to 0/6... (not to mention maybe having some spare hardners for enemy fleet comps...

I can see it now.

Guys they got my JF!
Who did?
******* Concord.
How did they do that did you agress?
No....Some cumstain left drugs in their ******* Merlin and they scanned me and killed me for running them through HS. ******* ****!
They shouldn't shoot you though.
Well my sec status went below the limit because Drugs gave me a sec status hit. I became criminal because of a Merlin.

The ONLY way to get a Merlin in your JF with something in the cargo (Assembled ship) is by courier contract and drugs can't be contracted.

So, basically this is IMPOSSIBLE

Now, Orca, Bowhead yes, but JF NOPE

This is in addition to the other reason posted above

I am not advocating drugs in contracts, therefore to me, it can't happen. If in fact CCP allows it in the future, sure, it may happen.

That being said, everything else is still wrong:

Concord won't blow you up for example

I was responding to the post about contracted drugs, and don't care what you are advocating. So vOv.
CONCORD/Navy will shoot you if your sec status drops below required standing for that space.

*Note I am aware CONCORD will only be the "navy" if you traverse CONCORD space, but fuzz is fuzz.


In regards to what you are advocating.

No.

Part of the changes were to make moving stuff riskier and to encourage production in places other than HS.

Ship maintenance arrays I could see arguments for just not ship maintenance bays

no a sma is on a pos and yes they do have restrictions just not the same ones like i can't store a ship with an assembled POS module in it

Because CCP never intended carriers to be a multipurpose large volume hauler?

A carrier could hold 211k m3 of ore/ammo/minerals/gas/PI/whatever, has commonly held requirements for jumping, is highly tanky and capable of self defense, holds 2/3 as much as a JF, and costs 1/5th the cost of a JF, along with (I think) lower fuel costs per LY.

It would basically be JF lite, especially for ferrying things around nullsec. For example say there two pockets that are separated by 10 jumps physically, but only 2 LY. I can do a full round trip every hour hauling 200k+ of materials, say compressed ore, or ice. All without adding to my Jump Fatigue.

Even a full 5LY jump, 200k m3 of stuff every two hours for one minute of work and a single one bil isk ship.

CCP does not want the carrier in the large volume hauling role. And a few carriers are far easier to come by for short range shipping that titans or JF's or ordinary freighters+JB's.

It was stated several times by CCP during the implementation of the DST and specialized cargobay haulers that they would not be permitted to be loaded into carriers with non charge materials specifically because CCP did not want carriers with DST's or other haulers being capable of hauling massive amounts of cargo. That job is the job of the JF and to a lesser extent, the Rorqual.

I'm not putting words in CCP's mouth here. It's not just my opinion.

As for the 200k m3 of compressed ore bit, the amount of time required is to put it bluntly, completely irrelevant. Would a Rorqual or a JF be a better hauler than a carrier? Of course. And ofc the Rorq is the only one with boosting with. But carriers are far cheaper than a rorqual, hold half as much as one, are far sturdier than one, and most importantly, are far far more common than them. I have four carrier characters, three with carriers, and only one of each a JF/Rorqual pilot, but no JF/Rorqual.

Despite being less effective in a hauling role than a JF or Rorqual, a carrier still holds more than half of what the others do, while being far sturdier, far cheaper, and something far more people are skilled for than the primary ships.

I'm not in a huge corp, only 90 people, but we only have around 5 good JF pilots, 5 Rorqual pilots, and probably 40 carrier pilots. And of those JF's and Rorquals, we only have 3 of each that I know of. But at least 30 carriers. And since most of our corp holdings are consolidated in a fairly small area only a few LY across, being able to haul 200k M3 of materials in a carrier would instantly increase the availability for us to haul things five times over.

In a carrier with 200k m3, I can jump into a POS, refuel it, pick up a month worth of moon mining, jump to the next POS, do it again, jump to the next POS, do it again, and only then have to come home. And do it all in a ship worth 1/3 a rorqual or 1/6th a J, for the same use.

Just because you keep insisting that because the main ships do it better than a carrier could means that it's not an issue doesn't magically make it not an issue.

If CCP want carriers to be able to haul massive amounts of cargo, they will permit it, but up to this point, every action they have taken from prohibiting non charge items in ships inside a carrier SMA to increasing the size of assembled ships points to them having no desire whatsoever to permit carriers to do so.

I'm not forgetting fatigue. Having to wait an hour between max range jumps would be a pain. But it would be a manageable pain, especially if your only operating in a small LY area.

A JF will always do it better, do it faster, do it with more style.

But a carrier would still get it done, especially if you have a suitcase alt you can burn up to a few days of fatigue on to make several rapid jumps along a circuit.

I'd expect it would stop people from using carriers to move things around in bulk just about as well as jump fatigue prevented people from taking 200 supercapitals a large chunk of the way across eve in a single op. Right PL?