Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The best null sec block in the game who can escalate to the end game is able to defend their key ratting systems deep in the heart of their territory, well who would have expected that?

Anyone can do it. But hey, that requires "effort".

No not everyone can do it, its the ability to escalate, though its anticipating how they will do that will give you a chance. Your coalition had a terrible time with PL dropping large fleets of BLOP's a couple years back, until you managed to catch them once and gave them a good kicking, which I cheered by the way and they stopped doing it. But what chance a small medium alliance near Catch against PL for example? Its not impossible, but its damned hard.

Think some alliance near Catch and think what they have in range, then think about what happens if they escalate, now compare to the heart of Deklin and what you can escalate, that's a major difference.

I have already left null and am in hisec, I took that decision after the D-scan immunity stupidity and I am going to watch and see how occupational sov develops. As for beating me in their sleep, very droll, but thats actually a bit of a joke both ways isn't it?

We have lost several titans in our heartlands and countless bad ratting carriers so that first comment is just rubbish. You are perfectly able to defend yourselves you just cant be bothered to do it. And yes, they are beating you in their sleep.

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I have clearly stated that I wish to play on BOTH sides of this issue.

Reason being, I already play on both sides of it, and I do not want to see half of my game nerfed out of existance, while the other half is dumbed down to "why-bother" levels of play.
(At "why-bother" levels, it is a relief to see that aspect of gameplay automated, so you don't have to waste time being bored by going through the motions)

In other words, it would end up killing BOTH sides of a game play dynamic that I happen to like.

And which one would that be?

No, your ideas are fine. They are really good ones. Some I knew, some I didnt. However it's not really the direction I am looking to advocate in regards to this topic. I know there are plenty of defensive ways to deal with a camper. I am looking for a more offensive approach.

In ever sandbox game I have played I have always been the scout type that hunts down cloakies. It is what I enjoy in the game. I never understood why EVE choose to never employ a counter to the cloak and no I dont believe local is a true counter. Yes there is validity to the argument but not what I consider a 1:1 counter. But then again I never understood why they allowed almost every ship in the game to fit a cloak either.

okay, I get it. You want to be able to hunt cloakies. I get it, really.

Cant you please also try to get that if you were able to do so, cloaks would have no meaning at all? What do you mean, "a counter to the cloak"? There can be no such thing the way you imagine it, because it would simply cancel cloaking as a mechanic.

Let me give a crude example : Uncloaked ships can be found with combat scanners. Now lets assume there is a special scanner probe, a cloak-scanner. It would find the cloaked ships.

At this point, I raise the question. Whats the meaning of cloaking? Nothing really, since all it takes is a different kind of probe. We could remove both cloaks and cloak scanners from the above equation and just have the same thing, only simpler. Or we could add even more pointless layers to it, Cloak 2 - Cloak-scanner 2, Cloak 3 - cloak scanner 3. All meaningless mechanics that cancel each other out, adding nothing but pointless complexity.

I dont even understand your problem with every ship fitting a simple cloak. Covops cloaks are far more dangerous actually, they can light cynos, warp around invisible or bump/decloak you while any ship with a normal cloak suffers being completely immobile while cloaked and a permanent penalty to locking speed (regardless of cloak running or not), making them much less dangerous than.. anything.

There are things that are sensible and things that are not. Saying "I want to hunt cloakies" is an oxymoron, you cannot because they are cloaked. Its like saying "I want to hunt Titans". I cant, cause they are huge, and I better get used to it, before coming in the forums asking for Titans to shrink to my size and expect to be taken seriously. Especially with that name of yours. Sorry if that sounds like a personal attack, but your name does not sound witty or funny, only offensive.

Celestia. Your entire post ignores one key fact. The fact that you can achieve 100% safety with a cloak. Even the most basic of the cloaks.

What meaning would cloak have after a change to allow cloak hunting? Simple. You would have to have piloting skill. Just cause a means to find a cloak exists doesnt mean that cloak is useless. Also consider that this would include a reduction to local as an intel tool. I am a personal fan of removing alliance and standing colors from the local window and removing the pilot into button. Only time you would see instant standing colors would be from your own ships overview if the ship is on grid, or if you docked in a POS/Station. Probes are visible in space and as you said yourself. If D-Scan kept you safe for 2 years, I think it will continue to keep you safe.

Games like Ultima Online, Shadowbane and others have cloaks and they have cloak detection. If both those games, both sandbox style games like EVE, can have countering stealth and stealth detection, why does EVE feel it needs to be special and not allow for the detection of cloak. Of course if its simple CCPS will and thats how they want it. That's perfectly fine, it is their game after all. But valid examples in other games do exist to show that cloak and cloak hunting can easily and effectively coexist in a game.

My problem with almost all ships fitting a simple cloak is that it can allow 100% safety. I use a cloak as much as possible to keep my assists safe. Any change would effect me just as much as anyone else.

As for hunting Titans. Well that already happens. Sorry but that is an invalid comparison.

As for my name. Sorry you don't care for it. Petition it if you wish. If we are going to start throwing stones at names, be advised of Milla Goodpussy, Harry Saq, and Jenn aSide, which all can be considered offensive names.