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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9561 - 2017-05-11 07:08:13 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

What kind of an idiot thinks that camping a PC game for months, not hours or days, MONTHS is logically sane, then defend it with tooth and nail. Its probably something some psychologist should write a paper on. Should call it the Critical point of game addiction.


My guess is the AFK campers is more sane than those raging against it. He logs in, activates his cloak. Then goes and reads a book, goes to see a movie. Make dinner. Go to work. Hang out with friends. Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet, if not he goes outside and walks his dog. Or he goes to the beach, grocery shopping, or any other myriad of things that occupy our lives.

In the mean time there is a carebear rage posting on the forums about that psychopathic AFK cloaky camper.


Raging against it? LOL, that concept of raging about it is where you are totally delusional and showing perhaps a touch of insanity, there are people who post about this in exasperation which people like you jump on and tar other with that brush, but that is your own delusional thought process.

The majority of people post about it making suggestions on how to improve the game to remove AFK play in the spirit of Eve, thankfully CCP seem to be listening to those people and the de-cloaking wave will be introduced at some point, those that are active will simply re-cloak, but those who are AFK will be probed down and removed. Of course there will be bots made to get around this but I for one will be reporting people who I know are AFK.

I would have preferred my AFK flag, but the de-cloaking wave works for me and is more in the spirit of Eve in terms of giving a counter. If I can get at the person who is AFK which was always my issue then I will be happy, this de-cloaking wave will have little or no impact on active play and you and people like you who want to change local because you are bad at Eve is not going to work with CCP.

And when this change comes into place I am going to kill a load of campers, I am already sorting out a top level scanning alt with the fit and all the implants for super fast combat scanning. I am going to be one very happy bunny Big smile


Tell me again how I am blocked. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9562 - 2017-05-11 07:10:56 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?

Because
Teckos Pech wrote:
Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet

By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9563 - 2017-05-11 07:14:31 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

What kind of an idiot thinks that camping a PC game for months, not hours or days, MONTHS is logically sane, then defend it with tooth and nail. Its probably something some psychologist should write a paper on. Should call it the Critical point of game addiction.


My guess is the AFK campers is more sane than those raging against it. He logs in, activates his cloak. Then goes and reads a book, goes to see a movie. Make dinner. Go to work. Hang out with friends. Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet, if not he goes outside and walks his dog. Or he goes to the beach, grocery shopping, or any other myriad of things that occupy our lives.

In the mean time there is a carebear rage posting on the forums about that psychopathic AFK cloaky camper.

lol, you just trapped yourself in a really stupid post here sunny.

Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.


Because that is the way local works. It reports you if you are ATK or AFK. It is the one thing that renders local less than perfect.

It is a good thing. It undermines local...it is the only thing that undermines local. Every other suggestion here has generally been along those lines save for a few.

There is no way you can justify AFK play. Unless you somehow at the same time support botting as well. Local is a desperate excuse, nothing can justify AFK play.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9564 - 2017-05-11 07:18:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:

Tell me again how I am blocked. Roll


I have already told you, your default is blocked, but if I see an exchange due to others quoting you then I will intercede like I did there, checking back on your full post just in case.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9565 - 2017-05-11 07:19:35 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?

Because
Teckos Pech wrote:
Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet

By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.


Lovely post that...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9566 - 2017-05-11 07:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xcom
I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9567 - 2017-05-11 07:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?

Because
Teckos Pech wrote:
Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet

By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.

Afk cloaky camping is the only option we have to catch botters, or keep the bots from operating.

An AFK camper isn't doing anything at all. If said AFK cloaker becomes an ATK cloaker every once in a while, then said person is just way better at the game than you'll ever be. Said person is having a life and comes back to the game when an opportunity presents itself, while you're sitting in your station and rage about how you can't make your perfect isk/hour while being perfectly safe.

If said player wouldn't show up in local, you wouldn't know he's there and he wouldn't have to afk cloak to circumvent the perfect intel tool that local was never supposed to be.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9568 - 2017-05-11 07:33:26 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?

Because
Teckos Pech wrote:
Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet

By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.


I advocate being able to render local less than perfect. This has nothing to do with botting at all. Being AFK does not let one acquire resources. However botting does. The "botting argument" has been brought up and thoroughly rejected as just plain old stupid and desperate.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9569 - 2017-05-11 07:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Xcom wrote:
I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle.


Highly likely...

You also notice that they are such bad players that they want local nerfed to enable easy kills, but we get plenty of kills with local, the issue for them is that it requires effort and it is tough to catch someone on top of their game, which is how it should be, the balance is correct.

They want no local or a delay in local so they absolutely will get on someone even in a brick tank proteus, not for them interceptors. And they they will waffle on about bots and such ignoring that the majority of players are not bots.

It is the attitude of WH players who want to be able to have the same play style as they have in WH space in their cloaky brick T3C's.

And most of them are so up themselves that they cannot see it....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9570 - 2017-05-11 07:49:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Xcom wrote:
I suspect they bot on one account and AFK cloak on the other one. When people post in this thread it rattles there favorite dopamine kick playstyle.


Highly likely...

You also notice that they are such bad players that they want local nerfed to enable easy kills, but we get plenty of kills with local, the issue for them is that it requires effort and it is tough to catch someone on top of their game, which is how it should be, the balance is correct.

They want no local or a delay in local so they absolutely will get on someone even in a brick tank proteus, not for them interceptors. And they they will waffle on about bots and such ignoring that the majority of players are not bots.

It is the attitude of WH players who want to be able to have the same play style as they have in WH space in their cloaky brick T3C's.

And most of them are so up themselves that they cannot see it....


And now we get Dracvlad the liar. Oh, I know maybe you should have Herzog come defend you....or your wife. That post was so pathetic.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9571 - 2017-05-11 08:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xcom
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Why not just turn of the game and just play something else if your not playing. And why should you be allowed to impact the ones that do when your not even playing.

Its like that fat kid who rather smash the toys so others cant play if he's not. Funny how some idiots rather give the fat kid a cookie for the misbehavior.

How can someone that's not there affect anyone else?

Because
Teckos Pech wrote:
Periodically checking to see if some other player is foolish enough to start ratting. If so, they sends out a ping for a fleet

By your analogy you advocate AFK play. By coincidence, do you advocate botting as well? They both do the same thing. Play the game without being at the keyboard.


I advocate being able to render local less than perfect. This has nothing to do with botting at all. Being AFK does not let one acquire resources. However botting does. The "botting argument" has been brought up and thoroughly rejected as just plain old stupid and desperate.

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default. IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9572 - 2017-05-11 08:07:07 UTC
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9573 - 2017-05-11 08:16:44 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9574 - 2017-05-11 08:20:46 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.

No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9575 - 2017-05-11 08:22:28 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.

No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks.

Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9576 - 2017-05-11 08:26:32 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.

No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks.

Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time?

Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local.
Drone region space is full with them.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9577 - 2017-05-11 08:34:48 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.


No, influencing the game can happen even when a player is not logged in. Botting is about resources.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9578 - 2017-05-11 08:40:33 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:

Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.

No, that's actually what people like you do. Abusing local even more with intel bot networks.

Explain to me how that is? How can one "intel bot network" while playing the game at the same time?

Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local.
Drone region space is full with them.

You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space?
Xcom
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9579 - 2017-05-11 08:44:05 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Xcom wrote:

Resources has nothing to do with it. AFK is valid enough argument to reject anything else that comes after it. If your not playing then you don't have the right to influence the game. Simple

Its a slippery slope going down the AFK meta. If we are somehow allowed to do stuff AFK because of this or that. Dono what the end of it would be. Maybe we should just all AFK and kick in tidi cause stations are to safe, AFK because falcon is to OP, AFK because my gramma called me and I should be safe while I get the call. F**k that, you AFK you die.

If you don't show up then you lose by default IN ANY GAME sense the stone age.


Having another melt down I see.

AFK has always been in the game, especially since cloaks were introduced.

And you clearly don't know what botting is, it is the gathering of resources. Sitting in game while logged in and not gathering resources is not botting.

Botting is bad because it influences the game while a player isn't playing the game. It doesn't matter what the activity is. You might as well use bots to scout. Which is probably what AFK cloakers also do.


No, influencing the game can happen even when a player is not logged in. Botting is about resources.

Teckos your intellectual prowess is truly showing here. Thank you for this post, you made my day.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9580 - 2017-05-11 08:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:

Bots in random systems that automatically report any non-blue that shows up in local.
Drone region space is full with them.

You mean a bunch of AFK and cloaked characters in most systems in drone space?

Truly mind-boggling how someone that manages to play EVE can be so stupid. I reckon you'd even drag the average WoW-player intelligence level down the drain.

EVE is a pvp-focused sandbox, not a game. Nullsec is a explicit pvp region in said pvp-focused sandbox.

Questions:

  1. Why do you think your playstyle is in any way more valid than somebody elses?
  2. Why do you think you're entitled to 100% risk-free ISK making in a specific PvP zone?
  3. If you truly think you are entitled to it, how do you want to balance out the retardedly skewed ISK/Reward balance?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.