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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9421 - 2017-04-30 20:08:00 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
I pity the ISDs that are keeping tabs on this thread...

Okay, Mike, Dracvlad and co. You've had 470 pages to get it and still don't.

You're meaningless crybabies that have no business being in nullsec. You cry all the ******* time and never stop crying and quite literally everyone else is just milking you for more and more tears, but because you're so ******* dumb that you literally run against the same wall over and over and over again, you just don't get it.

Cloaks are balanced. The only problems are instant local chat and your inability to defend yourselves.
You have been given time and time again PLENTY of options to deal with afk cloakers and you refuse EVERY SINGLE ONE of them because you DO NOT want to deal with it. Either because you're too lazy, or too stupid. Likely both.

So instead of writing tears every time you press that "post" button, why don't you just man the **** up or finally accept that you're too dumb for the game.


AFK play..., idiot...

Seeing as you mentioned me I am ratting with multiple PL cloaky campers in my systems, while you are a loser who steals ISK from Bombers bar..., because of hurt feelings... and you call me a cry baby, actions speak louder than words you sad loser...

Come and camp me so I can blow your sad ass up...

What a ******* cry baby you are...

PS I know many people in Bombers bar who want a piece of your ass, come at it loser... so let me see if you are able to get a kill on a useless carebear, who is top scorer against PL in their attempts to evict my alliance.


Well, guess that settles that. AFK cloaking is not a problem as it does not stop people from ratting even with cloaky campers, PL cloaky campers no less.

Oh, and of course we see Dracvlad being his usual self. Please Dracvlad, tell us how awesome you really are. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9422 - 2017-05-01 06:44:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
AFK play..., idiot...

Seeing as you mentioned me I am ratting with multiple PL cloaky campers in my systems, while you are a loser who steals ISK from Bombers bar..., because of hurt feelings... and you call me a cry baby, actions speak louder than words you sad loser...

Come and camp me so I can blow your sad ass up...

What a ******* cry baby you are...

PS I know many people in Bombers bar who want a piece of your ass, come at it loser... so let me see if you are able to get a kill on a useless carebear, who is top scorer against PL in their attempts to evict my alliance.

Disclaimer: Read this in Teckos' post above since I blocked you months ago, like I told you at the time.

Your post reads like this and proves my point yet again, but alas you're too dumb to see it for yourself.

As to the BB matters, you obviously know nothing about what happened and what lead to me taking the ISK. I could educate you, but as you have shown again and again you live in your tiny bubble universe and reject every kind of information that doesn't align with your viewpoint.

I haven't seen anyone even remotely try to "get at me", so these people that "want a piece of my ass" are nothing but crybaby talkers with big mouths and nothing to back it up. Just like you. I'd certainly welcome the opportunity to blow them to pieces and make their space life a living hell afterwards.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9423 - 2017-05-01 08:12:19 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
AFK play..., idiot...

Seeing as you mentioned me I am ratting with multiple PL cloaky campers in my systems, while you are a loser who steals ISK from Bombers bar..., because of hurt feelings... and you call me a cry baby, actions speak louder than words you sad loser...

Come and camp me so I can blow your sad ass up...

What a ******* cry baby you are...

PS I know many people in Bombers bar who want a piece of your ass, come at it loser... so let me see if you are able to get a kill on a useless carebear, who is top scorer against PL in their attempts to evict my alliance.

Disclaimer: Read this in Teckos' post above since I blocked you months ago, like I told you at the time.

Your post reads like this and proves my point yet again, but alas you're too dumb to see it for yourself.

As to the BB matters, you obviously know nothing about what happened and what lead to me taking the ISK. I could educate you, but as you have shown again and again you live in your tiny bubble universe and reject every kind of information that doesn't align with your viewpoint.

I haven't seen anyone even remotely try to "get at me", so these people that "want a piece of my ass" are nothing but crybaby talkers with big mouths and nothing to back it up. Just like you. I'd certainly welcome the opportunity to blow them to pieces and make their space life a living hell afterwards.


I read your C&P post on this matter including the replies to you including some that were sympathetic to you, my memory of you was that you were quite good and very supportive in the past, but you turned into a bitter vet troll who insisted on respect and went into full cry baby mode when your inactivity and vet saltiness got your views ignored, so in a hissy fit you went and stole their SRP ISK.

I made all my points on the AFK part, which I now know that CCP will deal with in the medium term. I am just getting on with it, keeping the ADM's up because as you might not know each ship is the same value in terms of ADM, so killing a ton of small stuff works well, and losers who don't hunt and who just sit there in cloaky AFK bliss have no ability to get a point. So I wanted to see if you were up to it? Obviously not...

By the way that GIF is you when people ignored you... actions speak louder than words loser.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9424 - 2017-05-01 08:19:02 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Well, guess that settles that. AFK cloaking is not a problem as it does not stop people from ratting even with cloaky campers, PL cloaky campers no less.

Oh, and of course we see Dracvlad being his usual self. Please Dracvlad, tell us how awesome you really are. Roll


You seem to think that anyone who makes a point against AFK cloaky camping is paralysed in fear and unable to deal with it, it is ingrained within your small troll like mind. It seriously impacts ISK generation which is pretty obvious, however if one wants to hang tough and just do as a strong minded player it is quite easy to do.

It is cretins like you who tried to make it into you cry babies can't handle it, but for me it was never the case because my fun is to oppose lame asses. So cry more please, and you know what happened when you came into the pocket where I was, my alliance mates killed your SB alt and your Proteus fled very quickly..., as I said saying is one thing, doing is another and you never came back did you, I laughed a lot at that SB loss you had, I really did. Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9425 - 2017-05-01 08:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Well, guess that settles that. AFK cloaking is not a problem as it does not stop people from ratting even with cloaky campers, PL cloaky campers no less.

Oh, and of course we see Dracvlad being his usual self. Please Dracvlad, tell us how awesome you really are. Roll


You seem to think that anyone who makes a point against AFK cloaky camping is paralysed in fear and unable to deal with it, it is ingrained within your small troll like mind. It seriously impacts ISK generation which is pretty obvious, however if one wants to hang tough and just do as a strong minded player it is quite easy to do.

It is cretins like you who tried to make it into you cry babies can't handle it, but for me it was never the case because my fun is to oppose lame asses. So cry more please, and you know what happened when you came into the pocket where I was, my alliance mates killed your SB alt and your Proteus fled very quickly..., as I said saying is one thing, doing is another and you never came back did you, I laughed a lot at that SB loss you had, I really did. Big smile


You are such an idiot. No, my point was that since you are managing your own little fleet and ratting just fine AFK cloaking is not an issue. I was actually pointing out that you are doing it right. But you are such a **** heel you just can see that. But never fear you have insulated yourself from this response because you are such a **** heel, little bubble boy. You are such a complete idiot you can't see you are making my point. An active defense force doing what it should to defend it's space has little to fear from ATK let along AFK cloaking ships. Dumbass.

BTW, how come you aren't having your wife post how awesome you are?

Jackass.

Edit: What is even more disgusting is you are trying to take credit for the work of your alliance members. You are such a complete ego maniac you just can't let anyone have some success without trying to step in and claim at least some of that credit. You are absolutely pathetic. Maybe you need that creep Herzog to come and make you feel manly. Roll

Edit II: Oh, and that wasn't my SB loss butt brain.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#9426 - 2017-05-01 08:34:15 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
however if one wants to hang tough and just do as a strong minded player it is quite easy to do.


So, everything is working just fine and no nerf to cloaking is required. Strong-minded players can easily deal with the situation, and weak players lose just like weak players are supposed to.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#9427 - 2017-05-01 08:36:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
so in a hissy fit you went and stole their SRP ISK.


I fail to see what the relevance here is. Stealing from people who made the mistake of trusting you is a proud and noble tradition in EVE, but it's one that has nothing to do with AFK cloaking. I'm just not sure why you think "YOU STOLE THEIR ISK" is suppose to be persuasive to anyone.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9428 - 2017-05-01 08:37:20 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I read your C&P post on this matter including the replies to you including some that were sympathetic to you, my memory of you was that you were quite good and very supportive in the past, but you turned into a bitter vet troll who insisted on respect and went into full cry baby mode when your inactivity and vet saltiness got your views ignored, so in a hissy fit you went and stole their SRP ISK.

I've been a bitter old vet for years. Nothing changed in that regard. What changed is that the current Bombers Bar is simply not Bombers Bar anymore. It's run by self-centered, delusional idiots that are riding on a wave other people created. The innovators of Bombers Bar, that came up with the fleet ideas that are so popular now, have been forcefully removed by these pricks. I spoke up against that and got kicked out as well and thus took all the money with me to give them the middle finger.

I gave them a simple choice. I keep the money and leave them be or they get the money back and I use my fortune to burn this pitiful pile of spaceretards to the ground. Bombers Bar died 3 and a half years ago and this shell that they now call Bombers Bar is just an abomination.

As to the SRP point, 2 billion of those 22 billion ISK were SRP money.
Do you know how BB handles money? It's a joke, really. Olmeca asked for 12 or so billion ISK to give us control over the website, but these fags couldn't get it together to just pay Olmeca for the hard work he did. They had to humiliate him in public and ban him from BB, all because he didn't want to hand over the website but instead wanted compensation. We had the money and yet I was the only person in support of it. This wasn't a case of "we're dead poor afterwards" either, because all it would have really took was for the FCs to give their FC share to BB for a week or two and it would have paid for the website. But that would have directly impacted their personal income and they can't have that, so instead they kicked Olmeca for "reasons".
After I took all that ISK, they still couldn't get their act together and instead asked members of the community for "donations" so they can still get their full FC share and god knows how much of that donation money went into other pockets than BBs.

You are defending a bunch of greedy retards that can't count 1 and 1 together and can't innovate for ****. It's only a matter of time until they have to come up with something new and then they won't have anyone to think for them anymore and this abomination will die all by itself.

PS: 1/4th of the money I took went directly to Olmeca Gold because he deserved it.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Tessa Sage
Long Pig Luncheon Meat
Sending Thots And Players
#9429 - 2017-05-01 08:39:21 UTC
I hate to do this, but the time has come for the covert ops cloak module to become passive. If you enter a system via a stargate, your cloak stays in effect upon leaving the stargate-induced cloak timer. You can use this to scout, traverse whole regions unaffected. Getting decloaked is still done in the same fashion: within 2km. No amount of scanning will uncloak you, but you also cannot disengage your cloak without some object doing it for you. You are not in command of hot drop duty, you are the ship being bridged across. This means if the opponent can lock you faster than your cloak cooldown bonuses (time to regaining utility of your active modules) it's over. This does allow tackling AFK ships by bumping them to decloak and switch to your arsenal, if that helps any.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9430 - 2017-05-01 08:42:43 UTC
Tessa Sage wrote:
I hate to do this, but the time has come for the covert ops cloak module to become passive. If you enter a system via a stargate, your cloak stays in effect upon leaving the stargate-induced cloak timer. You can use this to scout, traverse whole regions unaffected. Getting decloaked is still done in the same fashion: within 2km. No amount of scanning will uncloak you, but you also cannot disengage your cloak without some object doing it for you. You are not in command of hot drop duty, you are the ship being bridged across. This means if the opponent can lock you faster than your cloak cooldown bonuses (time to regaining utility of your active modules) it's over. This does allow tackling AFK ships by bumping them to decloak and switch to your arsenal, if that helps any.

Yet another person with zero clue about cloaky gameplay.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9431 - 2017-05-01 08:54:07 UTC
Tessa Sage wrote:
I hate to do this, but the time has come for the covert ops cloak module to become passive. If you enter a system via a stargate, your cloak stays in effect upon leaving the stargate-induced cloak timer. You can use this to scout, traverse whole regions unaffected. Getting decloaked is still done in the same fashion: within 2km. No amount of scanning will uncloak you, but you also cannot disengage your cloak without some object doing it for you. You are not in command of hot drop duty, you are the ship being bridged across. This means if the opponent can lock you faster than your cloak cooldown bonuses (time to regaining utility of your active modules) it's over. This does allow tackling AFK ships by bumping them to decloak and switch to your arsenal, if that helps any.


Translation: I want my safety while ratting, PI, mining, etc. in NS to be enhanced without giving up anything in return.

Why not just ask CCP for 500 million ISK/month in income for doing nothing. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Tessa Sage
Long Pig Luncheon Meat
Sending Thots And Players
#9432 - 2017-05-01 09:08:14 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:

Yet another person with zero clue about cloaky gameplay.

Teckos Pech wrote:

Translation: I want my safety while ratting, PI, mining, etc. in NS to be enhanced without giving up anything in return.

Why not just ask CCP for 500 million ISK/month in income for doing nothing.


No and no, this passive changearound is consistent with what goes on ordinarily when a ship warps to your location: regardless of who enters free-fire mode first, the entrant is visible on your overview. The advantage for cloaky is you get within most other ships' optimal by the time you're decloaking. This has nothing to do with safety, rather, everything to do with cloaky camping being ineffective to the extent you are not committing to a grid-level activity.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9433 - 2017-05-01 09:12:22 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I read your C&P post on this matter including the replies to you including some that were sympathetic to you, my memory of you was that you were quite good and very supportive in the past, but you turned into a bitter vet troll who insisted on respect and went into full cry baby mode when your inactivity and vet saltiness got your views ignored, so in a hissy fit you went and stole their SRP ISK.

I've been a bitter old vet for years. Nothing changed in that regard. What changed is that the current Bombers Bar is simply not Bombers Bar anymore. It's run by self-centered, delusional idiots that are riding on a wave other people created. The innovators of Bombers Bar, that came up with the fleet ideas that are so popular now, have been forcefully removed by these pricks. I spoke up against that and got kicked out as well and thus took all the money with me to give them the middle finger.

I gave them a simple choice. I keep the money and leave them be or they get the money back and I use my fortune to burn this pitiful pile of spaceretards to the ground. Bombers Bar died 3 and a half years ago and this shell that they now call Bombers Bar is just an abomination.

As to the SRP point, 2 billion of those 22 billion ISK were SRP money.
Do you know how BB handles money? It's a joke, really. Olmeca asked for 12 or so billion ISK to give us control over the website, but these fags couldn't get it together to just pay Olmeca for the hard work he did. They had to humiliate him in public and ban him from BB, all because he didn't want to hand over the website but instead wanted compensation. We had the money and yet I was the only person in support of it. This wasn't a case of "we're dead poor afterwards" either, because all it would have really took was for the FCs to give their FC share to BB for a week or two and it would have paid for the website. But that would have directly impacted their personal income and they can't have that, so instead they kicked Olmeca for "reasons".
After I took all that ISK, they still couldn't get their act together and instead asked members of the community for "donations" so they can still get their full FC share and god knows how much of that donation money went into other pockets than BBs.

You are defending a bunch of greedy retards that can't count 1 and 1 together and can't innovate for ****. It's only a matter of time until they have to come up with something new and then they won't have anyone to think for them anymore and this abomination will die all by itself.

PS: 1/4th of the money I took went directly to Olmeca Gold because he deserved it.


Actually I am not defending them, they are as you described them, I am merely stating that you are in fact a cry baby by your actions which were not affecting them so much but the members. I would have moved on and let them run it into the ground themselves thus proving you were correct, but you gave them an excuse to say Linus screwed it up.

So when you start throwing a comment that people who have a different opinion are cry babies you have to be in a position not be seen as one yourself.

Actually my past interactions with you on another character by the way were quite positive, it was a long time ago by the way.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9434 - 2017-05-01 09:17:06 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Well, guess that settles that. AFK cloaking is not a problem as it does not stop people from ratting even with cloaky campers, PL cloaky campers no less.

Oh, and of course we see Dracvlad being his usual self. Please Dracvlad, tell us how awesome you really are. Roll


You seem to think that anyone who makes a point against AFK cloaky camping is paralysed in fear and unable to deal with it, it is ingrained within your small troll like mind. It seriously impacts ISK generation which is pretty obvious, however if one wants to hang tough and just do as a strong minded player it is quite easy to do.

It is cretins like you who tried to make it into you cry babies can't handle it, but for me it was never the case because my fun is to oppose lame asses. So cry more please, and you know what happened when you came into the pocket where I was, my alliance mates killed your SB alt and your Proteus fled very quickly..., as I said saying is one thing, doing is another and you never came back did you, I laughed a lot at that SB loss you had, I really did. Big smile


You are such an idiot. No, my point was that since you are managing your own little fleet and ratting just fine AFK cloaking is not an issue. I was actually pointing out that you are doing it right. But you are such a **** heel you just can see that. But never fear you have insulated yourself from this response because you are such a **** heel, little bubble boy. You are such a complete idiot you can't see you are making my point. An active defense force doing what it should to defend it's space has little to fear from ATK let along AFK cloaking ships. Dumbass.

BTW, how come you aren't having your wife post how awesome you are?

Jackass.

Edit: What is even more disgusting is you are trying to take credit for the work of your alliance members. You are such a complete ego maniac you just can't let anyone have some success without trying to step in and claim at least some of that credit. You are absolutely pathetic. Maybe you need that creep Herzog to come and make you feel manly. Roll

Edit II: Oh, and that wasn't my SB loss butt brain.


I rather enjoyed your reply...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9435 - 2017-05-01 09:24:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Well, guess that settles that. AFK cloaking is not a problem as it does not stop people from ratting even with cloaky campers, PL cloaky campers no less.

Oh, and of course we see Dracvlad being his usual self. Please Dracvlad, tell us how awesome you really are. Roll


You seem to think that anyone who makes a point against AFK cloaky camping is paralysed in fear and unable to deal with it, it is ingrained within your small troll like mind. It seriously impacts ISK generation which is pretty obvious, however if one wants to hang tough and just do as a strong minded player it is quite easy to do.

It is cretins like you who tried to make it into you cry babies can't handle it, but for me it was never the case because my fun is to oppose lame asses. So cry more please, and you know what happened when you came into the pocket where I was, my alliance mates killed your SB alt and your Proteus fled very quickly..., as I said saying is one thing, doing is another and you never came back did you, I laughed a lot at that SB loss you had, I really did. Big smile


You are such an idiot. No, my point was that since you are managing your own little fleet and ratting just fine AFK cloaking is not an issue. I was actually pointing out that you are doing it right. But you are such a **** heel you just can see that. But never fear you have insulated yourself from this response because you are such a **** heel, little bubble boy. You are such a complete idiot you can't see you are making my point. An active defense force doing what it should to defend it's space has little to fear from ATK let along AFK cloaking ships. Dumbass.

BTW, how come you aren't having your wife post how awesome you are?

Jackass.

Edit: What is even more disgusting is you are trying to take credit for the work of your alliance members. You are such a complete ego maniac you just can't let anyone have some success without trying to step in and claim at least some of that credit. You are absolutely pathetic. Maybe you need that creep Herzog to come and make you feel manly. Roll

Edit II: Oh, and that wasn't my SB loss butt brain.


I rather enjoyed your reply...


So much for the blocking me. You are such an intellectually dishonest poster it is amazing you can keep posting....oh wait you are a narcissist. Never mind.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9436 - 2017-05-01 09:27:35 UTC
Tessa Sage wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:

Yet another person with zero clue about cloaky gameplay.

Teckos Pech wrote:

Translation: I want my safety while ratting, PI, mining, etc. in NS to be enhanced without giving up anything in return.

Why not just ask CCP for 500 million ISK/month in income for doing nothing.


No and no, this passive changearound is consistent with what goes on ordinarily when a ship warps to your location: regardless of who enters free-fire mode first, the entrant is visible on your overview. The advantage for cloaky is you get within most other ships' optimal by the time you're decloaking. This has nothing to do with safety, rather, everything to do with cloaky camping being ineffective to the extent you are not committing to a grid-level activity.

You want to remove afk cloaky camping because you can't stand the risk of pvp in a pvp zone.

Your idea would also severely impact bridge staging and remove bomb runs entirely.
You do not understand cloaky gameplay at all and thus you have no business making any suggestions about it.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9437 - 2017-05-01 09:36:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I read your C&P post on this matter including the replies to you including some that were sympathetic to you, my memory of you was that you were quite good and very supportive in the past, but you turned into a bitter vet troll who insisted on respect and went into full cry baby mode when your inactivity and vet saltiness got your views ignored, so in a hissy fit you went and stole their SRP ISK.

I've been a bitter old vet for years. Nothing changed in that regard. What changed is that the current Bombers Bar is simply not Bombers Bar anymore. It's run by self-centered, delusional idiots that are riding on a wave other people created. The innovators of Bombers Bar, that came up with the fleet ideas that are so popular now, have been forcefully removed by these pricks. I spoke up against that and got kicked out as well and thus took all the money with me to give them the middle finger.

I gave them a simple choice. I keep the money and leave them be or they get the money back and I use my fortune to burn this pitiful pile of spaceretards to the ground. Bombers Bar died 3 and a half years ago and this shell that they now call Bombers Bar is just an abomination.

As to the SRP point, 2 billion of those 22 billion ISK were SRP money.
Do you know how BB handles money? It's a joke, really. Olmeca asked for 12 or so billion ISK to give us control over the website, but these fags couldn't get it together to just pay Olmeca for the hard work he did. They had to humiliate him in public and ban him from BB, all because he didn't want to hand over the website but instead wanted compensation. We had the money and yet I was the only person in support of it. This wasn't a case of "we're dead poor afterwards" either, because all it would have really took was for the FCs to give their FC share to BB for a week or two and it would have paid for the website. But that would have directly impacted their personal income and they can't have that, so instead they kicked Olmeca for "reasons".
After I took all that ISK, they still couldn't get their act together and instead asked members of the community for "donations" so they can still get their full FC share and god knows how much of that donation money went into other pockets than BBs.

You are defending a bunch of greedy retards that can't count 1 and 1 together and can't innovate for ****. It's only a matter of time until they have to come up with something new and then they won't have anyone to think for them anymore and this abomination will die all by itself.

PS: 1/4th of the money I took went directly to Olmeca Gold because he deserved it.


Actually I am not defending them, they are as you described them, I am merely stating that you are in fact a cry baby by your actions which were not affecting them so much but the members. I would have moved on and let them run it into the ground themselves thus proving you were correct, but you gave them an excuse to say Linus screwed it up.

So when you start throwing a comment that people who have a different opinion are cry babies you have to be in a position not be seen as one yourself.

Actually my past interactions with you on another character by the way were quite positive, it was a long time ago by the way.

That everyone thinks of you as an illiterate ****** is entirely on you, your posts and your actions and reactions.

Me taking that ISK was a direct reaction to the decisions made by a few "BB Core" people. It was their actions that led to the ISK being stolen and redistributed to former BB members that were removed by them and people like them and never got compensation for their hard work.
The only reason BB community members had to donate ISK to replace what I took is because of greed on behalf of the people I gave the middle finger to. Try to blame me all you want for that, but I'm not responsible for it. It's the people that are calling themselves "fleet commanders" that are.

I didn't keep a single stolen ISK for myself. I gave it all away to the people that deserved it.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#9438 - 2017-05-01 10:35:17 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:


No Mike, you are quite wrong here. On one dimension are cloaks and stations are similar, safety. Yes, at a secret safe spot I can be as safe as I am in a station. However, to obtain that safety means I can't do very much (pretty much nothing) and it means you are safe from me too...just as if I were docked. What is really bothering you, IMO, is not the safety, but the uncertainty that I may or may not be at my keyboard. That was your view when you first joined this discussion. I don't believe it has changed, my belief is you changed your argument to try and "back door" a solution to your real concern. You have an answer and are using whatever you can come up with to justify that answer.

See here is the thing. Lets suppose you got your way. Would a ship cloaked at a secret safe be vulnerable? No. Why? Because that ship would not be there by the time you got there. What your change would do it is remove the uncertainty. Is he there or not? The only people left would be ATK cloakers. As such, I do not believe your views are indeed simply as you state them. I believe they are to try an mask an ulterior motive....the removal of uncertainty from this aspect of the game.

That is why I do not like Dracvald's idea of an AFK flag either. It removes uncertainty. Uncertainty is a feature not bug.



Nope, I haven't been anywhere near Null for several years. Nothing I say has anything to do with Null sec, except that it's where the imbalance of cloaks is most easily seen because that's where it's most often abused.

It's very simply the fact that nothing is supposed to be safe in space to the extent that going afk makes you more effective at your chosen task rather than less.

Regardless if you want to scare PvE pilots, save a Titan from hunters closing in, Scout an enemy... You should not be able to do any of that while being protected by the mechanics to the extent that you can just walk away with the assurance that you are immune to being interfered with.

Of course, you know this, because we have discussed this very thing for several years. However, I'm sure you will shortly develop amnesia yet again, and go right on back to spouting that same empty dogma.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#9439 - 2017-05-01 11:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Linus Gorp wrote:
That everyone thinks of you as an illiterate ****** is entirely on you, your posts and your actions and reactions.

Me taking that ISK was a direct reaction to the decisions made by a few "BB Core" people. It was their actions that led to the ISK being stolen and redistributed to former BB members that were removed by them and people like them and never got compensation for their hard work.
The only reason BB community members had to donate ISK to replace what I took is because of greed on behalf of the people I gave the middle finger to. Try to blame me all you want for that, but I'm not responsible for it. It's the people that are calling themselves "fleet commanders" that are.

I didn't keep a single stolen ISK for myself. I gave it all away to the people that deserved it.


People like you think that, which I take as a compliment by the way.

No it was your actions, in fact you made it so they could not be called out on their mismanagement by enabling them to blame you. You can huff and bluff and cry about it, but that is the reality. So you should think before you throw the term cry baby around against people who have a quite valid opinion on AFK and let me emphasise it the AFK part of cloaky camping.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9440 - 2017-05-01 12:07:53 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
That everyone thinks of you as an illiterate ****** is entirely on you, your posts and your actions and reactions.

Me taking that ISK was a direct reaction to the decisions made by a few "BB Core" people. It was their actions that led to the ISK being stolen and redistributed to former BB members that were removed by them and people like them and never got compensation for their hard work.
The only reason BB community members had to donate ISK to replace what I took is because of greed on behalf of the people I gave the middle finger to. Try to blame me all you want for that, but I'm not responsible for it. It's the people that are calling themselves "fleet commanders" that are.

I didn't keep a single stolen ISK for myself. I gave it all away to the people that deserved it.


People like you think that, which I take as a compliment by the way.

No it was your actions, in fact you made it so they could not be called out on their mismanagement by enabling them to blame you. You can huff and bluff and cry about it, but that is the reality.

They can blame me all they want. I know they're wrong and that's all that matters to me. I do not care about their opinion and I do not care about the opinion of a random person either.
I didn't go out of my way to tell everyone that Jayne Fillon is a backstabbing piece of **** after he poached BB to create Spectre and I won't go out of my way to make sure everyone playing EVE knows what BB management is really like.

You assume that I care. I don't.
You also assume that I'm thinking the same way pretty much every other human being on this planet does. I don't. Not in the slightest. And yes, I got the medical brain scans to back it up.

My reasons and motivations for my actions are nothing you or anyone else would ever be able to comprehend.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.