Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No Mike, it is something you have claimed and tried to back it up with falsehoods, ignorance and misrepresentations.

Try again....maybe without the li..errr hyperbole.

So...uh... You are just going to ignore literally the next words which conceded you won that argument. Ok. Like I said, exceedingly poor winner.

But you keep bringing it up.

Yes, a ship sitting at a secret safe and cloaked is extremely safe. But it is also extremely boring game play. So boring I might as well go AFK because it is marginally better than staring at the wall behind my computer. And that is a cost goddammit. If I am going to be bared from more-or-less playing the game to maintain that safety...where is the problem?

I already had to undock, and if in a blockade runner that can be very dangerous even in HS, go through gates which makes me vulnerable every single time. When I use my blockade runner I have to warp and cloak near instantly because of fast locking insta-blap tornados that play the lottery with such ships.

Yet ships in space with a cloak are immune.

It isn't a fallacy Mike. Ships with cloaks die all the time, every day in fact. By the dozens. They are only immune in a very limited setting....one that also puts severe limits on those who want that degree of safety.

So, why in that specific context is cloaking a problem? Seems to me there is little to no problem. I am totally safe...but I've put an extremely severe constraint on what I can do in game.

The reason this would be bad is when your at war at someone one really good tactic is it put an afk cloaky into their ratting space to make them rat less or mine less.

The other side has to decide if its worth the risk. without this tactic a war has very little affect in the main space of the enemy there is no constant pressure so wars will last so much longer.

Actual Idea, instead of bickering:

Throw deployables at the problem? That's all the rage these days, isn't it?

Have yet another deployable, anchorable ONLY in owned sovereign nullsec, that very slowly deals overheat damage to active cloaks. Mitigating factors and bonuses to rate can apply. Any cloak. Stops working eventually. Or a module for Citadels would work just fine. Plug it into the slot left when you place your refinery.

That's it.

That's all it does.

So anyone cloaking around is veeeery slowly going to watch the red indicator creep around. And eventually, they're going to have to decloak and use some paste on it. Defenders can just pop off to a Citadel and get it repped up.

Then, eventually, they'll run out of paste, and have to go get some more, or get an alt to deliver some.

So....Give the defenders more protection...?

As to the above discussion of the immune quality of a safe cloaked ship. If the ship is safe and not interacting with others, then he is a blight to EvE's theme, yes?
Let's work with this.
If I've read this right, the discussion stands at:
Cloaked ships are immune and don't affect anyone. They are non-entities. Non-entities should be removed.
Counter: There is value in the threat of a neutral/red name in local.
Counter: Afk play should not be effective play. Especially when there is no counterplay.
Ergo, afk cloakies' ability to disrupt a system simply by their presence is an overpowered effect that should have a counter.
Got it, I think?

Why go to all the trouble of deploying structures, launching new probes, running the cloaked ship out of cap when

• No cloaked ship has ever or will ever kill anything. It's like it's not there.
• No afk player has ever or will ever kill anything. It's like he's not there.
• The only threat it provides is a neutral/red name in local. He's probably not atk. But he might be.

The threat of the cloaky who may or may not be afk is only made a threat by the neutral name in local.
Clearly the solution is to strip the afk cloaker of his power by removing his name from local. This makes it as though the cloaky isn't even logged in or anywhere near your system. But he might be.

There is the second threat that an afk cloaky's hud is a useful source of intel at a quick glance.
Remove the local and dscan of the cloaked ship as well. This makes the afk cloaky a useless source of intel.
He just shows a blank screen unless he's on-grid with you. And he might be.

You don't know he's there; he doesn't know you're there. It's as if he isn't even logged in.
Although, he might be.
I like this solution.

Upon further thought, it is rife with abuse potential. Carrier groups jumping into system and cloaking, allowing a slow buildup of a fleet right under your enemy's nose and with little opportunity to detect it.

Upon even further thought, the abuse potential feels more like an awesome feature for more creative fleet work.

The problem isn't the AFK Cloaker but the Cyno he has on his ship. The AFK Cloaker Guy isnt the problem at all but the possibility that he drops a Capital on you and thats why he has such a big impact on Nullsec Residents. They even drop Carrier on your 200M Cruiser for a kill. As long as the AFK Cloaker sits in your System you can normally stop all activitys until he leaves cause you dont know when or even will open a Cyno at you. My suggestion is that Ships with a Fitted Cloaking Device cant use a normal Cyno to invite Capitals.

Did CCP remove cyno jammers while I wasn't paying attention?