Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yep, HTFU. Sometimes you don't get the kill that you want, and that's part of EVE. Sometimes you waste time trying to bait someone who isn't going to take the bait. Maybe they're AFK, maybe they see your obvious bait attempt and decline to take it. or maybe they have WCS fitted and dodge your single point. Or maybe they're faster than you and disengage when the trap arrives. Or maybe one of countless other things that can cause you to miss a kill happens. Deal with it and stop whining that CCP doesn't hold your hand and give you free intel.



From your point of view exactly what is the difference between spending time baiting someone who doesn't take your bait because they are AFK the whole time, and spending time baiting someone who doesn't take your bait because they see that it's an obvious trap and stay cloaked? Either way you're spending time trying to bait someone and going home without your "fun and eventful outcome", so why is it so important to you to know whether the trap failed because it was a poor effort or because the target wasn't paying attention?

And, again, how do you know if you interacted with the player? From your point of view if someone doesn't take your bait you have absolutely no way of knowing if you failed to interact with the player, or if you have successfully interacted with the player but they spotted your trap and refused to engage. It makes no practical difference to you whether they are AFK or not, all we're talking about here is your frustration at not knowing the answer. If it makes you feel better then just pretend that every time you bait an "AFK" cloaker and they don't take the bait it was because you interacted with them and they decided not to fight you.




It is in EVE. AFK cloaking is economic warfare that happens while AFK. Manufacturing/moon mining/etc happen while AFK. Skill training happens while AFK. Market transactions happen while AFK. In all of these cases the player is ATK to set up some events, and then things happen while they are AFK.

And it starts again...from a same point...
"Afk cloaker does not affect the game because he is afk" - have ever tried to think something further than a point of your lazy ass?

Try to guess what is the difference between AFK cloaker and cloaker that he is not AFK;
Im really curious about your answer at that simple question.

The only difference between botting and afk cloaking is that you are not using a program to mimic some player action while away from keyboard. They do not allow botting because it can affect economy to much if people can just do AFK mining, ratting or what ever. The fact is AFK cloaking can affect the game in just the same way only here it is a negative way on the economy. With botting not allowed they are effectively saying we do not wish to have people affecting the gameplay of other players in space. In this case however it is exactly what an AFK cloaker does which is why it is a problem. They do not want people to benefit from being AFK but if you can disrupt your enemies while AFK you are still benefiting.

I know all the things you can try and do to catch a cloaker how ever the fact is there are currently no solution to counter AFK cloaking, if you say that you can just go to a different system well not possible if they are doing it in every system. Only option left is to take the chance and then if he is not afk you might get killed this type of gameplay is only destroying game play of countless others. It is a way to easy way of disrupting the gameplay of entire alliances. We have methods to keep earning even while AFK in system which makes sure they cannot drop one person how ever with these methods only a small profit is earned farless than what can be earned any where ells.

Being in a fleet and having combat ships is the counter.

May I remind you that it was you that started it by insulting me? I'm just repaying the favor.

Q.e.d.

No difference to me. If I'm in a system and don't recognize every name in local, I fly assuming they could show up on grid and attack me, no matter what. I rarely fly with massive nullsec alliances though, so I'm used to the risk that comes with EVE, unlike sov null (who are the only ones who complain about this).

d-scan every 5 seconds, stay aligned, be in a standing defense fleet 24/7 while on comms. If you do get tackled, great! You're in a fleet already, you call for help and have a fight on your hands in the 30 seconds it takes for your fleet to reship to PvP and respond.

It sounds like you want to be perfectly safe in your systems. It also sounds like local chat is the problem here. Get rid of local and everything you're afraid of goes away.

This is one of the biggest problems in the game right now. Nullsec being as safe as it is, with intel channels and local. That needs to be broken up, not made even safer by being able to detect cloaked players.

When I play, I assume I could be dropped any minute (a WH opens, someone logged off in system, someone will awox). If you play like that, AFK cloakers are a non-issue. But then again, PvE-ers in null want to mine and rat while watching netflix instead of playing the game.

It seems you all are fighting over the same thing as the last time I have checked this thread last year.

The fight is still the same, we have group A, that wishes for the removal of AFK cloaking gameplay, which in turn makes it so that it would be extremely difficult an unfun to actually camp a system and lull a person into a false sense of security, because as soon as that AFK flag vanishes, you will have all miners and ratters running for all their safe spots, and in turn making it impossible for someone to actually catch a "Unfair" kill.

Then we have the otherside of the metaphoric wall that says AFK cloaking is fine, and the real problem is local intel systems that the true problem. This can make things more difficult for both sides, as without a local intel system, not only will it be harder to keep track of fleet movements, it will also be harder find to actually find targets as you will have to stop at each system and scan for targets at each and every system. This can greatly discourage small gang roams as it will make it extremely frustrating to stop at each system for five minutes to scan everything down. A change like this will reinforce gate camp game play.

It also needs to be brought up that if AFK cloaking is abolished, it will open the door for other afk gameplay to be targeted, how long till people start point that PI needs to be nerfed heavily or reworked to remove AFK isk making? To be fair with you, I personally believe that nothing has been done about AFK cloaking OR local because the two sides refuse to come together and figure out a compromise that both sides can benefit from.

In short, this petty fighting and name calling is getting us no where.