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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8661 - 2017-02-24 12:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...

which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;


i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. Lol


As it does not a problem for you, that does not mean it's not a problem for others.
You are not the only one playing this game dude;


that's the whole point, you are not the only one playing the game as well, works both ways. :)

btw, just in case you don't know, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care about cloaky campers, and WH already doesn't have local. so yeah, the only people crying here against cloaky campers are nullbears like you. :)


I'm to lazy to tell you why :

Nat Silverguard :)
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#8662 - 2017-02-24 12:19:34 UTC
cloaking should be time based, or it should eat your cap at a significant rate so that you auto decloak.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8663 - 2017-02-24 12:20:05 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I'm to lazy to tell you why :

Nat Silverguard :)


you can call me anything you want, fact still remains that you are pathetic and too old to be afraid of the boogeyman. Cool

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8664 - 2017-02-24 12:26:41 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8665 - 2017-02-24 12:32:38 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I'm to lazy to tell you why :

Nat Silverguard :)


you can call me anything you want, fact still remains that you are pathetic and too old to be afraid of the boogeyman. Cool


Fliet, I know I checked where you live previously, which is why I discount your views totally and just laugh every time you chest beat post. Come to Fliet and camp me, what a load of twaddle, seriously mate is that the best response you have. It is a faction warfare system, engage your brain mate before posting.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8666 - 2017-02-24 12:34:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.


point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers.

they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle.

hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you.

but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. Roll

Just Add Water
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8667 - 2017-02-24 12:37:25 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.


point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers.

they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle.

hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you.

but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. Roll


He starts again...
You are so short brained...
probably u aren't even moved out from filet since CENTURIES - hope so you got a window out there or a sun so u can get some light...

Hey Mate - Filet is not the only place where the game happens, really
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8668 - 2017-02-24 12:39:51 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I'm to lazy to tell you why :

Nat Silverguard :)


you can call me anything you want, fact still remains that you are pathetic and too old to be afraid of the boogeyman. Cool


Fliet, I know I checked where you live previously, which is why I discount your views totally and just laugh every time you chest beat post. Come to Fliet and camp me, what a load of twaddle, seriously mate is that the best response you have. It is a faction warfare system, engage your brain mate before posting.


he implied that everybody is affected by AFK cloaky camper instead of just nullbears, he even tried to explain the different 'spaces' in EvE.

so i invited him to come to Nat's home, to show him his views are false.

i am not chest beating, just proving that this issue is minuscule and a 'problem' to a small part of EvE only, if it can even be considered a problem at all.

Just Add Water
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8669 - 2017-02-24 12:44:43 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.


point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers.

they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle.

hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you.

but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. Roll


He starts again...
You are so short brained...
probably u aren't even moved out from filet since CENTURIES - hope so you got a window out there or a sun so u can get some light...

Hey Mate - Filet is not the only place where the game happens, really



funny thing is, that's a nullsec scenario....

again, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care, WH has no local.

Just Add Water
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8670 - 2017-02-24 12:47:16 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.


point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers.

they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle.

hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you.

but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. Roll


He starts again...
You are so short brained...
probably u aren't even moved out from filet since CENTURIES - hope so you got a window out there or a sun so u can get some light...

Hey Mate - Filet is not the only place where the game happens, really



funny thing is, that's a nullsec scenario....

again, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care, WH has no local.


Think out of the box;
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8671 - 2017-02-24 12:55:04 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


They are not trying to take the system and neither is the one freaking neutral, totally irrelevant.


point is, if a 12 dude can take a system, surely they can defend themselves against hot droppers.

they kill a single BLOPs even if the 12 died, they'll probably be still isk positive and therefore won the battle.

hot droppers can camp/hot drop you again and lose another BLOP ship or stay away from you, either way win-win for you.

but of course, it's easy to just dock up, cause effort. Roll


Sounds so easy doesn't it, but doing is more to it then that, however if it helps my alliance mates blew up a cyno Tengu and a Sin a couple of days ago which they baited on a Skiff, sadly I was not on for it. But keep away from talking about taking sov in terms of a single idiot cloaky camping, he does not actually make any effort to take sov, he is merely after easy kills and all this rubbish about can't defend your sov is rubbish because that is not the intent of the cloaky afk camper.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8672 - 2017-02-24 13:03:30 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


I'm to lazy to tell you why :

Nat Silverguard :)


you can call me anything you want, fact still remains that you are pathetic and too old to be afraid of the boogeyman. Cool


Fliet, I know I checked where you live previously, which is why I discount your views totally and just laugh every time you chest beat post. Come to Fliet and camp me, what a load of twaddle, seriously mate is that the best response you have. It is a faction warfare system, engage your brain mate before posting.


he implied that everybody is affected by AFK cloaky camper instead of just nullbears, he even tried to explain the different 'spaces' in EvE.

so i invited him to come to Nat's home, to show him his views are false.

i am not chest beating, just proving that this issue is minuscule and a 'problem' to a small part of EvE only, if it can even be considered a problem at all.


WH players are affected by cloaky camping, many got rather upset at not being able to keep an eye on them via the watch list.

0.0 is a major part of Eve, lowsec is less inhabited and in any case the main method of income which is missions like level 5's have gates, just as NPC 0.0 does.

It is not a miniscule problem, for me it is because in reality I just sell PI, log on the mission runner and I pay for both accounts with RL cash and don't have to plex, but I have seen the impact on other players around me. I have listened to so many who gave up on the game. I just want an AFK flag or a force log off after one hour of inactivity when cloaked. That would work for me.. ATK is what I am after, I don't want to waste time baiting some shitehead who is at work or sleeping, annoys me intensely that.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8673 - 2017-02-24 13:10:02 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:

Think out of the box;


says the guy who docks up when there's a boogeyman. Roll

Just Add Water
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8674 - 2017-02-24 14:35:15 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:

Think out of the box;


says the guy who docks up when there's a boogeyman. Roll


You have a thing about boogeymen, I would suggest that his concern is about either a load of BLOP's or worse dropped on him via a cyno. People like yourself who have not even attempted to live in sov 0.0 as a smaller group surrounded by larger entities have no idea just how boring it gets, so every time you post on this subject I just taste the ignorance.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8675 - 2017-02-24 14:41:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:

Think out of the box;


says the guy who docks up when there's a boogeyman. Roll


You have a thing about boogeymen, I would suggest that his concern is about either a load of BLOP's or worse dropped on him via a cyno. People like yourself who have not even attempted to live in sov 0.0 as a smaller group surrounded by larger entities have no idea just how boring it gets, so every time you post on this subject I just taste the ignorance.


not to mention there are also a npc pockets ;) not only sov ones ; )
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8676 - 2017-02-24 14:43:52 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:

Think out of the box;


says the guy who docks up when there's a boogeyman. Roll


You have a thing about boogeymen, I would suggest that his concern is about either a load of BLOP's or worse dropped on him via a cyno. People like yourself who have not even attempted to live in sov 0.0 as a smaller group surrounded by larger entities have no idea just how boring it gets, so every time you post on this subject I just taste the ignorance.


whatever you say honey

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Zockhandra
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#8677 - 2017-02-24 17:24:34 UTC
Why would any AFK flag be an issue anyway. Regardless of the points made about peoples intellect here, or how 'unfair' they think it is, camping comes down to the following:



-You are not safe in null-sec
-Choosing to rat in null-sec is a RISK which may yield a REWARD
-Choosing to rat in null-sec means that people may try to keep cloaky eyes on you in preparation for an attack

-Being cloaky camped does not prevent you from ratting, it only scares you into thinking that you will die
-Ratting while being cloaky camped carries greater risk, but also greater reward if you plan to counter-drop
-Null-sec is not designed to be predictable or safe or profitable, it's like New-America. Theres a big dream, with lots of hopeful people, and there are lots of bandits looking to pick on your findings and equipment.


Cloaky camping might be annoying, or disconcerting. But it by no means stops you from undocking.

You can't justify complaining about people who have to travel through hundred of bubbles, intel scouted pipes and who loose ships just to find something to shoot, when you cannot show the same initiative or bravery out in the unknown.

In summary, the only people who actually create problems for null-sec people ratting, is the ratter.

Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game
Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again?

Intuition is the key of sandbox game play, use it more it makes the game more fun.

Shield are red, Armor is too, i slapped my heavy neut, all over you. Fingers crossed, broken shattered and burned, across from the bubble and into your hull.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8678 - 2017-02-24 17:32:01 UTC
Zockhandra wrote:


Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game
Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again?



Such a great idea mate!
Let's change a game cause of annoying idiot who went to work and been sitting whole day cloaked in system decide to weary you or he is doing what he want on his 4th account - denying u taking a pleasure of game;

Get a fart cause your brain gives a **** ideas...rly..
Zockhandra
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#8679 - 2017-02-24 17:33:42 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Zockhandra wrote:


Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game
Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again?



Such a great idea mate!
Let's change a game cause of annoying idiot who went to work and been sitting whole day cloaked in system decide to weary you or he is doing what he want on his 4th account - denying u taking a pleasure of game;

Get a fart cause your brain gives a **** ideas...rly..



They are not denying you anything though, you are simply refusing to play because of the 'possibility' that he might be active. If you truly believe he is at work, why are you here and not out ratting?

Shield are red, Armor is too, i slapped my heavy neut, all over you. Fingers crossed, broken shattered and burned, across from the bubble and into your hull.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8680 - 2017-02-24 17:50:50 UTC
Zockhandra wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Zockhandra wrote:


Are you being camped? Great, go set bait and have some fun. Its a video game
Is your super being watched 24/7? maybe you should re-locate or invest in an alt character for your account so you can play safely until your super is safe again?



Such a great idea mate!
Let's change a game cause of annoying idiot who went to work and been sitting whole day cloaked in system decide to weary you or he is doing what he want on his 4th account - denying u taking a pleasure of game;

Get a fart cause your brain gives a **** ideas...rly..



They are not denying you anything though, you are simply refusing to play because of the 'possibility' that he might be active. If you truly believe he is at work, why are you here and not out ratting?


A train do not deny you stay at rails - u are just afraid to be killed by it; - thats your logic