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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8641 - 2017-02-24 09:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid.

There may be some idiots that love to feed expensive kills to farmer like players who AFK cloaky campers, but I am not one of them.

Risk management is what I apply to my Eve gameplay, and even more important is that I have developed as an old player multiple income streams. I have moved back to 0.0 not for dank ticks, but simply to enjoy the interesting new fleet combat with a competent alliance which uses interesting doctrines. under a talented FC. So I am a coward for being in 0.0, right, I am a coward for not flying out in my most expensive ship while an unknown camper is in system, right..., personally I don't give a damn about some frothing at the mouth brown noser calling me a coward and getting so upset that they miss the wood for the trees.

Simply put so even your vapid mind can get it, until one knows if they are AFK one has to assume they are ATK, and if you have no idea who they are linked too then you cannot ascertain risk. I am not against testing that with a ratting Raven or two, I guess that makes me a risk averse coward does it? Or mucking around with Thrashers in the belt, or switching systems etc.


baltec1, your simplistic and stupid utterances are ignored by me, you are wasting your time if you replied to any of my posts because you are for me a total waste of space.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#8642 - 2017-02-24 09:34:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid.

There may be some idiots that love to feed expensive kills to farmer like players who AFK cloaky campers, but I am not one of them.

Risk management is what I apply to my Eve gameplay, and even more important is that I have developed as an old player multiple income streams. I have moved back to 0.0 not for dank ticks, but simply to enjoy the interesting new fleet combat with a competent alliance which uses interesting doctrines. under a talented FC. So I am a coward for being in 0.0, right, I am a coward for not flying out in my most expensive ship while an unknown camper is in system, right..., personally I don't give a damn about some frothing at the mouth brown noser calling me a coward and getting so upset that they miss the wood for the trees.

Simply put so even your vapid mind can get it, until one knows if they are AFK one has to assume they are ATK, and if you have no idea who they are linked too then you cannot ascertain risk. I am not against testing that with a ratting Raven or two, I guess that makes me a risk averse coward does it? Or mucking around with Thrashers in the belt, or switching systems etc.


baltec1, your simplistic and stupid utterances are ignored by me, you are wasting your time if you replied to any of my posts because you are for me a total waste of space.


TLDR:

"He doesn't think the way I do, so I can ignore everything he has said, because I'm always right" Roll

Wormholer for life.
Van Doe
#8643 - 2017-02-24 09:44:59 UTC
So is it ok to camp afk cloaking if I just say in local "afk back in x minutes"?

I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy. afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#8644 - 2017-02-24 09:45:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid.


This is 0.0 you're talking about. AKA player-controlled space. If your alliance does not have the ability to counter a hot dropper with its own combat fleet and destroy the threat to your carebears then congratulations, your alliance has just been evicted from your system. Go back to highsec where the NPCs will protect you.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8645 - 2017-02-24 10:00:55 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

This is 0.0 you're talking about. AKA player-controlled space. If your alliance does not have the ability to counter a hot dropper with its own combat fleet and destroy the threat to your carebears then congratulations, your alliance has just been evicted from your system. Go back to highsec where the NPCs will protect you.


a simple concept some people can't seem to understand. Roll

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8646 - 2017-02-24 10:54:28 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid.


This is 0.0 you're talking about. AKA player-controlled space. If your alliance does not have the ability to counter a hot dropper with its own combat fleet and destroy the threat to your carebears then congratulations, your alliance has just been evicted from your system. Go back to highsec where the NPCs will protect you.


Oh so there is only a "AKA player-controlled space" (sov);
Good to know;
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8647 - 2017-02-24 11:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Linus Gorp wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
AFK cloaking is a symptom, not a problem. Treating the symptom won't make the problem go away.


AFK cloaky camping is a problem, it is not a symptom. The problem lies in people not playing the game when affecting others.


Unlike afk miners, afk cloakers do not affect the game in any way. They do not interact with the game at all. The only "problem" is in your head, being a risk-averse coward. Without local, you wouldn't even know he was there and all the automated intel tools that rely on local wouldn't work and we wouldn't have to resort to afk cloaking to counter local and automated tools.

AFK cloaking is a symptom of instant local chat and automated tools. It is not the problem.
No system, however deep in blue space, should ever be 100% safe, but that is exactly what the great majority of nullsec is.


You are wrong;
They affect YOUR Gameplay (the afk cloakers);
Same as your idea to deleting local - would that solve a problem with "cloakers"? you said "yeah it does!" i said (in your language) - u are total dumb if you really think that way -

Examples for brainless:

1.
12 on local
All blue
Miners, Ratters, anomalers (doing anomalies)
There is nothing which affect "their" game;

2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked
Still u think it doesn't affect their gameplay? or only it does not affect yours?
And it doesnt matter if its AFK or NOT it's still CLOAKED netural - which force OTHERS to change their behaviors;

3. - No local
Miners - mining...
Ratters - ratting...
Anomalers - killing...
but all of them plays in in a stress - they need to have covered all gates, means there have to be at last 2 - 3 guys which sacrifice their TIME to ALL THE TIME watch the gates to systems;
Not to mention there should be someone who check anomalies EACH HALF HOUR if there is no Wormhole appear;

Thats DEFFO a great solution which wouldn't affect any of their gameplay... (ironic)
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8648 - 2017-02-24 11:06:12 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked


this is pathetic, grow some dude.

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8649 - 2017-02-24 11:10:06 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked


this is pathetic, grow some dude.


fancy to share "why?" than just throwing insults? which is pretty common in this community.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8650 - 2017-02-24 11:15:47 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked


this is pathetic, grow some dude.


fancy to share "why?" than just throwing insults? which is pretty common in this community.


you can actually take a system with 12 dudes...

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8651 - 2017-02-24 11:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Risk Averse Coward, what a fascinating little insult which is most telling of your insane mindset, for you the biggest virtue in this game is to fly in something nice and expensive while a known hot dropper is operating, for me that would be gross stupidity, and anyone thinking that this is how you should play Eve to be successful is grossly stupid, in other words Linus Gorp level stupid.


This is 0.0 you're talking about. AKA player-controlled space. If your alliance does not have the ability to counter a hot dropper with its own combat fleet and destroy the threat to your carebears then congratulations, your alliance has just been evicted from your system. Go back to highsec where the NPCs will protect you.


Another forum warrior, yawn..., people who AFK cloaky camp generally do not have the balls to entosis something or blow up defended Citadels and stuff like that. Also that Sin and covert cyno Tengu were rather nice kills off of a bait Skiff. You know nothing....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#8652 - 2017-02-24 11:24:36 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked


this is pathetic, grow some dude.


fancy to share "why?" than just throwing insults? which is pretty common in this community.


you can actually take a system with 12 dudes...


Stay on subject mate, this is about AFK cloaky camping.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8653 - 2017-02-24 11:30:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:


2. - Camper in system -
13 on local
12 blue 1 neutral or red/orange
Miners - get docked
Ratters - get docked
Anomalers - get docked


this is pathetic, grow some dude.


fancy to share "why?" than just throwing insults? which is pretty common in this community.


you can actually take a system with 12 dudes...


Stay on subject mate, this is about AFK cloaky camping.


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8654 - 2017-02-24 11:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...

which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#8655 - 2017-02-24 11:51:09 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...


Here's the thing. The only people who complain about cloaky campers are people living in sov-null, as that is the only place where you have local-based intel-networks. These things go hand in hand. AFK-cloaking is the counterpoint to local-based intel-networks.

Wormholer for life.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8656 - 2017-02-24 11:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Wander Prian wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...


Here's the thing. The only people who complain about cloaky campers are people living in sov-null, as that is the only place where you have local-based intel-networks. These things go hand in hand. AFK-cloaking is the counterpoint to local-based intel-networks.

So your idea is to cut them off from local as "im being afk camper shouldnt be a problem for them or any player at all! cause when im AFK i do not change ppl gameplay style or a way of thininking! cause... COME ON IM AWAY FROM KEYBOARD!"

Someones hits the absurdality roof :) -
Another person who speaks for "every of 40k players";
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#8657 - 2017-02-24 11:56:25 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...


Here's the thing. The only people who complain about cloaky campers are people living in sov-null, as that is the only place where you have local-based intel-networks. These things go hand in hand. AFK-cloaking is the counterpoint to local-based intel-networks.

So your idea is to cut them off from local as "im being afk camper shouldnt be a problem for them or any player at all! cause when im AFK i do not change ppl gameplay style or a way of thininking! cause... COME ON IM AWAY FROM KEYBOARD!"

Someones hits the absurdality roof :) -
Another person who speaks for "every of 40k players";


Had you actually read what I wrote, I didn't say anything about how to fix it. All I stated was the fact that they are linked together.

Wormholer for life.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8658 - 2017-02-24 11:56:56 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...

which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;


i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. Lol

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#8659 - 2017-02-24 12:05:48 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...

which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;


i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. Lol


As it does not a problem for you, that does not mean it's not a problem for others.
You are not the only one playing this game dude;
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8660 - 2017-02-24 12:09:42 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:


i am, and i say AFK cloaky camper isn't a problem. when 12 dudes, who can actually take a system given if they're competent, dock up because of 1 freaking neutral is just so sad.


Oh mate u are so great in short thinking! :)
1-st of all - Eve is not only a Sov null sec;
Its low sec, high sec and npc null sec too - u know that there is that kind of space in eve? if not, no problem - im here to help you!

2-nd - So if someones get into "our" home system, and cloak and fly from planet to planet, from safe to safe, (which u cant see as he wont show up on dscan) - u are:

a. baiting him (LOL WATCH THAT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR as u were doing something else before!)
b. trying to scan him down (LOL MATE REALLY U WANT TO SCAN A CLOAKED SHIP? well guess what - U CANT)
c. going back to busines and literally... DIE cause u were not enough patient to wait 10 hours keep baiting him or u have to leave the system, pocket, or your mates logged out - so you also had to do it...

which ends.... as it made an impact of your game - what a person here trying to makes as believe that AFK Cloaking - do not;


i live in Fliet, you can camp us anytime you want, nobody would even bother you. if you hot drop us, then even better. Lol


As it does not a problem for you, that does not mean it's not a problem for others.
You are not the only one playing this game dude;


that's the whole point, you are not the only one playing the game as well, works both ways. :)

btw, just in case you don't know, cyno doesn't work in hisec, lowsec doesn't care about cloaky campers, and WH already doesn't have local. so yeah, the only people crying here against cloaky campers are nullbears like you. :)

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