Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You appear to have completely missed my point and I’m not sure why you had to have such a long and convoluted response. My point is simple. If we impose a time limit on cloaks—e.g. after 8 hours of continuous cloaking your cloak deactivates due to *reasons*, then a player could, in theory, use software to log him off at say 7.5 hours. Now you’ll have people AFK cloaking for 7.5 hours and we’ll still have the incessant whining.

So why not just wait for the complete revamp to how NS intel works and we get rid of AFK cloaking in its entirety?

As for the current situation there are ways to deal with an AFK cloaker. Here is a “story” on how you can do it.

The typical complaint is “We can’t counter drop them because we have to have a fleet ready to drop 24/7!” My response is, fair enough but why not do the following:

Take that standby fleet and go burn down a sanctum while waiting for those bad guys to drop you. If they don’t…burn down another. Then another. Keep going and then do the havens. If you don’t have sanctums or havens respawning in that system move next door and burn down the sanctums and havens there. My guess is it will go quite fast. And the faster you burn down havens and sanctums in a number of systems the more escalations you’ll get. So while waiting for these guys to drop on you, you make ISK. Maybe even lots of ISK.



The point was not that these were options for me….you missed the point completely.

So what if they don’t go away? You are keeping your ADMs up, you are getting ISK, you are using your space. Presumably you are having fun…and on comms together and talking and being social vs. everyone silo’d up in their own haven or sanctum. Looks to me like you “won”. Take your cake and enjoy it.

I disagree. You are ignoring the part about being silo'd up. The standard way people rat and so forth in NS is to not be on comms, not interact with others, and play the game as if it were a stand alone game with nobody else in it. Now, maybe that is fun for some people, but I would argue that the alternative is more enjoyable to most people.

Why should my gameplay be limited while yours is not?


Simple, those that die are not using it.

Local does make you 100% safe, for example I lost no ratting ships in 6 years of ratting in delve. The vast bulk of ratting ships that are lost are AFK ships, the only way to catch almost all of the active ratters is to AFK camp the system as that is the only counter to region wide intel systems based upon local chat.

If you use local you will not die while ratting, unless you have bad luck (a rat scrams you at just the wrong moment).

If you are not using local (i.e. look away from local) then you can be killed.

The point is, people usually die while ratting due to inattentiveness--e.g. the guy was ratting while watching Game of Thrones on a second monitor.

That destroys my u-boat gameplay. I enjoy hunting around for a week at a time in capital systems outnumbered hundreds to one. Why should my gameplay be removed just so you can rat in peace?



Done regions spot you 30+ jumps out, everyone will report anyone not blue.
WH do not bypass local, the second you arrive in null sov space you are seen and reported. You hole is also scouted out long before you can make use of it.
No ship is fast enough to beat local chat, you show up in local before you load the system. By the time you are in warp to a scanned down target its already warped to the station/pos.
You don't burn a spy by getting it to AWOX a ratting carrier, that is an utter waste of a valuable resource.
Not using local based intel systems is not argument, the vast bulk do use it.
In practice every empire of any worth in EVE have people using all of their space, you are spotted long before you hit the main ratting systems every time you try.
There are no gaps or flaws to local intel systems, if there was do you honestly think PL wouldn't know about it after 10 years of hunting ****?

You are terribly certain of this. Have you tried it from the other side?
Maybe there are ships that can take 2-3 gates before a ship can complete a warp to station, sure, but absolutely zero that catch an aligned ratting carrier that is paying attention. The moment you enter local, even in an interceptor with full ascendancy implants, even if you knew exactly where the carrier was before entering system, the carrier has to try to be negligent enough to get caught - all it has to do is hit warp and it is 100% safe. Maybe you set up a drag bubble, maybe you had some other devious plan, but failing that, you aren't catching aligned things. That's how safe ratting is. Same goes for every other ratting ship out there - if you are aligned, you are incredibly hard to catch. It's really a shame how few rats point and scram - there is just no risk in null, at least none that cannot be easily mitigated.

If your alliance's intel is really bad and can't report things, you may want to find another alliance.

If you are smart, you will not close wormholes, you will crit them and dissuade their residents from coming into your space that way.

Ratters usually make it very easy to be found. A good ratting system will have like what, 20+ anomalies? Very few ratters are sensible enough to run the less than optimal site to avoid some risk - Forsaken hubs and Havens by default are where you find ratters first - have you thought of confusing people and being in a lower-teir site to increase their search time?

Likewise, have you considered just how annoying POS trash is? If you want to drive hunters CRAZY, leave a bunch of un-manned ships in POSes. Another way search time increases....considerably.

In the end, local makes it nearly impossible to get the jump on someone that is paying attention. You may want to try your hand at hunting - world looks different when you are 10 jumps out and your targets are already docked. I much prefer to hunt, rather than camp systems, but sometimes camping is the only way.

Right now I am playing for the other side. So yes and all I have said I have done so I know how it works. I am not currently playing in null other than hunting those in null as a single entity. I don't even have friends to back me up and I get targets every day even battleships alone, so yes I know very well how it works but I fit my ships to the occasion. Eve is all about making different fits, and I say do not use the same fit all the time they will know how to counter you. With the right fit you are capable of doing much more. But i guess if non of you have tried solo pvp and only knows how to drop then thats why you do not want to make it more fair for others.

I have an account which is in a null sec corp but thats not where I like playing the most and I can say that because of the cloak thing and the fact that I thrive on the thrill of the hunt. But I kind of feel that it is to easy some times and I can only imagine how easy it is with all the tools a corp has for hunting. Or maybe it is actually the other way around you do not know how to pvp because it is made easy for you.

A bold claim to make from someone with no killboard history.


I go solo hunting in a bomber, try again.


Gonna have to call you out on this now. If you are running around having an easy time getting kills then you are going to have to back it up with evidence.

well then maybe you are just not as good or you miss some of the points I made earlier to make it easier to find targets. While I am playing alone I still use spies akka alts to find easy targets as this is needed some times. But I do get my target more often than not.


You are gonna call a long time then, cause I have no obligation to tell you who my main is ingame. But I am quite sure you can find a lot of evidence on the killboard about solo kills in null, so I do not really need to show you proof you just have to open your eyes and look at the killboards thats what they are there for.

And as some one smart said think it was Dracvlad what us the fun of hunting if what you want is a 100% way of securing a kill on people who pay attention.