Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I strongly oppose the idea of leting him quit
1. He cold join NPC corp and move to highsec
2. Less contact for professional tear collectors
3. Ccp could use the 10€ he pays in a month
4. Ccp could use the the € for his plexing of his shiny shipps he loses to afk cloakys

PLZ stay on topic guys even if he is a troll he is not the only one who things there is need for change. And remember you also was out of line if we look at the forum rules.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/

If you do not know of them plz do not write before you do, you will just write about things in threads which should not be there.

I only stopped writing because nobody has been able to invalidate my points in the post I have made and I have nothing new to add at this time as such I stopped writing.

When some new things comes up or if you have more to add it would be great. A summation of all the points made in both directions would be great, so if you want to write in the thread and have nothing new you could do that

Says you.
But I do feel they are valid points and you have not been able to convince me otherwise. As you cannot do that, you can say what you want. I bet you have'nt even read all my posts in here. But I do not wish a dissusion about whether you have read or have not read and since you or I cannot prove whether you have or not just ignore it. If you do not wish the changes not I but you should have arguments which can convince me.

I do see and yet do not see the point about local necessarily has anything to do with cloaking. Cause I do not see that enemies of an area in space need a free way to get intell. It is not their area so why should they even have the intell?

And I would even say that unless you had seen us dock you should not know about us being in system when coming there. Like the change we should not know if you where in our system if you came through a worm hole or by cyno. These points are valid, as I see it cause I can explain why we would know you are in the system if you came through gate. But I believe I already have in a post some where. So yes I do believe that some changes to local would be great but by no means do they have anything to do with cloaking.

And dealing with afk cloaking is little to non existent. Cause as said if you want to counter drop a cloaker the defenders need a fleet ready 24/7 while the attacker can stay there and go take a bath and think nothing more of it and only time the friends needs to be ready is the time at the drop. This is a huge advantage for attackers and why should the advantage be stacked so much in favor of people attacking?

I cannot change your mind because you are dogmatic. You have decided there is a problem and listen to no counter argument.

Is AFK cloaking bad game play? Yes.
Are AFK cloaking and local balanced? Yes.
Would we be better off with a change? That is not so obvious.

It is not obvious because while the status quo is balanced yet sub-optimal a change could be unbalanced. In fact, it is most likely the case that most changes are unbalanced. For example, the vast majority of changes suggested effect cloaks across the board and leave local untouched. This basically nerfs the game for active cloakers...the very target you are trying NOT to nerf. It is like using a shotgun when you need a scalpel.

So it is not my fault you will not listen to reason nor provide a cogent rebuttal to these issues.

As for this tiresome "you need a fleet ready 24/7" I'll be a polite as I can...Goddamn-farcking-wrong.

Why do you think there is a whine thread currently about cynos? Because people rat in carriers with a cyno fit. They get dropped, they bleat for help on voice comms and when help is ready...in jump 10 carriers, 30 subcaps and 5 supers. Goons in particular are good at this. And in fact, not too long ago there was a post to make anomalies cyno-jammed--i.e. if you are in an anomaly your cyno won't work. This was clearly aimed at people fitting a cyno to their ships to counter drop.

Another alternative is to get those guys in your counter drop fleet into system with you and burn down those sanctums and havens quickly and efficiently. Then hop next door and do it again. Then go burn down the escalations. And laugh at the AFK cloaker in system.

If you can't do that because of TZ issues...look for a new alliance or consider that the AFK cloaker is indeed AFK as he is more likely to be ATK during peak times.

Seriously...stop needing somebody to hold your hand. You have a problem....find the solution.

Well I am certainly not a troll, if you go back into this thread you will see that I came out with suggestions and ideas and the HTFU groupies kept on trolling, I explained why it was a bad thing, gave detailed rebuttals and explanations and the best I get is waaaaaah local is the problem, or no to structure grinding etc.

They cannot invalidate your points apart from insulting you and calling for local to be removed.

CCP will be changing local so a structure will supply that intel, so the whiners here can shoot it if they had the guts to do so, the key part is the AFK part, my preferred approach is an AFK flag also supplied by a structure that will detail them as AFK if they have not interacted with their client for an hour, any interaction with that client will remove that flag. Another idea is special probes that will identify the grid on which the cloaky is located, I am not talking about touching cloaks or adding fuel as cloaking is fine. The structure will be vulnerable when operating, which is another incentive for them to shoot and possibly expose themselves to PvP fun. I wanted them cheap and easy to kill so that people who roamed to find empty systems could use them.

What are the intentions of my changes, well they are to assist the people who hunt campers, I will be able to work out when they are actually ATK so we can set up a bait and trap rather then having one setup and wasting play time while he is snoring or at work. The probes will enable the hunter to gain intel on what the camper is flying when he logs on again and perhaps get his safe point to catch him the following day if he is stupid. I have hunted and killed campers, I have even located and blown up one AFK camper who was stupid, I have also operated with campers in system I have moved systems I have done everything in terms of dealing with this. I lost only once to an AFK cloaky campaign and that was due to NCDOT. players blanket camping me by account sharing, which I did not report, though I should have done. I actually got a spy into their group so I knew what they were doing, which was funny, so all their insults about wanting to carebear are a joke to me, my fun is hunting them, because it is damn hard

A major issue is skill injectors and the ending of the watch list, before a camping character took time to train up to covert cyno so developed a history, with injectors that all changed, that history enabled you to do a watch list on the people who did the drops, so any activity there enabled you to assess the risk, but both intel approaches are no longer there making it so much harder to deal with, add to thath the fact thath so many people fly BLOP's and its got pretty cancerous.

With my suggestions those active players can still camp and cyno in on people, no change there, it just reduces the impact of AFK play for area denial which is very destructive for Eve. If pushing those ideas in what is the most abused thread in terms of trolling in these forums and that is saying something is trolling what can I say.

Earlier we had one tool come out and say imaginary threat, well he would say that as his main flies a T1 frigate in faction warfare, not an ideal target for hot drops, so for him he cannot imagine it, is pointing out that his dig is due to his own play style and taking the mick out of it as trolling, is that trolling, maybe it is, but it shows the lack of intelligence by some of the posters here and it can be fun to throw their own stupidity and crying back at them.

It is good to see more people come in and say there is an issue and come out with ideas and suggestions, the key thing is to find a solution that does not take away the hardness of Eve and does not destroy a tool the cloak which is important for casual play, but removes the most annoying part of that gameplay, which for me is the AFK part.

Good luck and keep at it.

Keep crying mate...

Someone came in here to make a suggestion and discuss this issue and your start crying over that happening, talk about being a two year old child, or more likely a man child. I guess you need a safe space suitable for your mental age.

Simply put you come in and post booogy man, not sure what age group comes out with such twadlle but there you go, then when I point out that is silly you define the issue as imaginary, which I then throw back at you by pointing out that to someone who flies just Atrons in FW the issue is imaginary, you splutter something about having multiple accounts and then admit that the faction warfare running Atron character is in fact your main. As you don't fly anything worthwhile hot dropping you are unable to imagine it, simple stuff really but well over your head.

Now run off to the toy pen with the other two year old's.

I will give you that no changes is certain to be better but without change we will never know. A lot of people want changes and a lot do not. I have found in games many times that you do not know how changes will impact a game in all its aspects before they are made and have been played with for quite a while.

I will say that my solution beneath here hits so little on the cloaker which is not afk that I am almost foing it with a scalpel but ther may be flaws, so instead of attacking me about I beeing dogmatic which I have never been accused of before, tell me the problem with the solutions I write, els I take it that you are just set in your way and then you know I do not have to tell you how your statement hit the wrong person. The thread is for the discussion, if we cannot do that in a civil manner what doe that make us?

Fairly often I see aggressive writing from you accusing people of either being some way or or directly say stuff about how stupid they are this is not what should be written in this thread. Keep it concise and to the point and tell people why their solution might not work. Another thing is you might not see it as a problem but that does not make it so that we cannot make changes which satisfy both camps.

One of the nerfs I sugested was that a cloak can only be active for a certain amount of time before needing to refuel or some thing. I do not care if it is 10-12 or 24 hours. And if you can not get your target before that I believe that you should be forced to leave system and dock before being able to use it again. True this also hits the non afk cloaker but I do not see that it is a nerf to him which will harm him if he wants to find targets. And again there is no reason that you would need a cloaker in in our territory 24/7. But with this solution you still could, the main part would be that you had to leave system after a certain amount of time which makes you vulnerable. This is fair as again when you undock you consent to PVP as stated by developers. But while you are cloaked 24/7 this statement is wrong cause you cannot be found.

Without changes we will never know how great the game can become, another thing is a little friendlier attitude towards new players can only help, I mean would you rather play with around the 40k people when at peak time or 60k or more if by change a few aspects in the game could help bring more people to the game.

Here is the thing...read the EULA.

I could, in theory, set up with third party software to log me off before whatever arbitrary time limit you set without violating the EULA. I'd merely point out that logging off ensures I gain no SP, ISK or other resources at an accelerated rate. So unless the EULA is also changed on top of it, we'd be right back here with people whining about AFK cloakers camping their systems for X hours per day.

And fuel is right out. Fuel is an automatic nerf to ATK cloakers. And funny how you don't see these things as nerfs.

How about this, your suggestion is implemented but from now on the only way YOU can make ISK in game is via some sort of activity where a cloak is necessary. No more ratting, missions, mining, invention, building? Nothing except activities where a cloak is needed? Deal?

Oh yeah, and skill extractors won't work for you either. You only get to make ISK via using a cloaking ship or you start over from scratch.