Player Features and Ideas Discussion

He lost this conversation a long time ago and has gone off the rails by now. I've showed this thread to friends who don't read the forums just because of how painful his attempts at trolling are at this point. We all had a good laugh.

Considering alpha clones are a completely new thing, 5% is not bad at all. Right now they only have 2mil sp. Their involvement has plenty of opportunity to grow.

Just an fyi theres a guy on the comments section of the latest o7 show that refuses to come back to the game as long as null has local. That on its own isn't much to go by as an argument, but its still more than anything you and dracvlad have provided.

Would love to know where you pull these stats from. I'm guessing it's a very dark place?

CCP has stated that they want less information that is just given to players. They want to make the players collect it themselves. They do not like how much information local gives in nullsec.

You are aware that the map statistics are not real time right?

Local has little to do with activity. Both hi-sec and null have the exact same local (if anything, local is even more effective as intel in null) yet null is barren in comparison. It also has little to do with why people find it difficult to live in WH's. You are either being ignorant, or a troll. Look up guides on living in WH space. They all say its difficult to live in a WH, but do they say its because of local? No. Every single one cites the shifting connections and the logistics as to why WH's are a hard place to live.

You keep saying WH space is a failure, yet it is said by players to be 'perfect' and 'the least broken space in the game'. In fact, the last time i remember CCP talking about WH space they were saying it was TOO POPULATED and information and mapping was TOO EASY to get. Low activity =/= failure when low activity was the intention.

And yes, 5% is good. In a fight involving THOUSANDS of players, we are talking about HUNDREDS of alpha's taking part in just one fight. This is when Alpha's have only been a thing for only a month.

Removing local would improve small gang warfare and activity, small gangs are harder to find than big fleets without local and would be more effective. Its entirely in line with CCP's goals. There are literally people posting in public that they'd resub if there wasnt local in null. What have you guys got? An echo chamber of carebears pretending to quit but never actually doing it. When you and dracvlad actually quit the game because AFK cloaking is so unbearable i may reconsider (i may not).

No, that is true, cloaks will work just the same, but AFK cloaking will be dead.

Look at your killboard mate and think about whether you can run around saying carebear,, I note a Sacralige kill with a Hurricane in a war dec, RR perhaps? Still hopefully that is not your main, maybe Luhya Saho is your main? The main person I am talking about flew with Project Mayhem and went balls to the wall in bling ships so often its funny, if you want to call them carebears then more fool you.

I did quit Eve, but there was a change that I liked which enticed me back, sorry if that upsets you...

Local is not an intel tool. It was never intended to be used that way. Its a chat channel and through the years CCP have been looking for a way to return it to its real function and replace it with a real intel tool.

Afk cloaking is a result of local. It's a complete non-issue in wh space.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
It's very important that it be possible to disrupt peoples' money-making in nullsec, and AFK cloaking is one of the most effective ways. We're not worried about cloaked ships being overpowered because cloaked ships do very little DPS.

But we understand it has a pretty big psychological effect. We would like to make some changes...it may not be the changes people are expecting, though. For instance, I can tell you that AFK cloaking is not an issue in wormhole space and there are pretty good reasons for that.

@Jerghul
The entitlement is that you should have free intel.

@dracvlad
Lol killboard searching now. Awww.
Luhya's mine yep. Flies logi in fw. But i doubt the sacrilege kill was with logi, check the fit and imagine near 7-800 dps cutting through its lowest resist. No time for logi.

if youve checked my killboard, you'll have also seen daichi used to nullbear, WITH bad guys in local...just sayin

Daichi
Afk cloaky camping is the result of multiple accounts and multiboxing. An entitlement thing.

We have debated that Fozzie quote to death. The issue has been resolved by epic battles with 100ds of billion losses. Excessive isk generation should be resolved procedurally (tweak the rats).

Free intel goes with free gates. Give players control of both in null-sec and we can talk. Though I would prefer introducing OA and player controlled gates to sections of wh space. What is already broken cannot break again. It would give you what you want in every way....except that there would be no players there of course.

As to thread topic. AFK camping is extremely detrimental to activity. So must be removed.

Because content.