Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Phylosophical intermezzo.

There are some ships nobody wants to fight (~nobody without caps on standby anyway) -- the lone procurer (Hi SLYCE !), the lowsec maller, the lone brutix / raven. Because it's hotdrop bait.

Cloaked ships suffer the same illness: there might be fun to be had with a cloaky Loki, but it's never going to happen. Because it's either a drop or a nullified travelcruiser.

Since you don't actually know what ship is hiding, one has to assume it's yet another boring dropper- and therefore, solo guys or real PvP'ers never get any consideration in this kind of threads.

I don't mind getting rid of AFK by simply flagging them as such (as per Dracvlad); but then one would have to do something about the increased safety; and I just don't see how at this point. Either you catch the prey every time, or you never catch it. Currently, the only prey that gets caught is already either AFK or multiboxing, and when you take the permanently cloaked eyes out of the equation there basically won't be any risk left.

Pondering this subject some more, the only way to get fights would be an all-out invasion- or at least the pretence of one. This still wouldn't be too bad, but that's where entosis mechanics rear their ugly head: you can no longer provoke fights in just one system: it'd automatically become constellation wide, leaving small alliances high and dry.


Then there's the idea of chasing cloaked ships down, also eliminating AFK in the process. This would yield similar results except that people would be willing to go after the cloaker, and this may yet be useful to provoke a fight-- by allowing yourself to be "captured".


Perhaps neither of these are the way to go; perhaps the problem really is that covert cyno after all. This and only this is what makes the AFK cloaker a fearsome adversary. It is also what makes true solo hunting difficult: no one is his right mind believes you are truly solo. Imagine if you will we gut that module instead -- by imposing two limitations on it: (1) you can have either a cloak OR a covert cyno online. Not both. And (2) even when using a cap booster to online it, you can't light within 60 sec after decloaking. Then what would happen?

Nothing much, really- you'd just get an advance warning from DScan (if onlined at a safe), or an option to defend yourself before all hell breaks loose. The bite is still there, it's just not teleporting smack in your face out of nowhere. (especially since we can no longer watchlist your bridge pilots).


This obviously without taking any changes or delays to local chat into account -- these may or may not help; fact of the matter is you want people out in space doing whatever and get a fight out of them. As long as the whole idea behind AFK cloaking remains to terrorize the locals and occasionally instakill whatever you fancy just to prove that you can, there will be complaints. We want to pit ourselves against active people; otherwise CCP might as well spawn random names in local to throw you off (or keep your name in local where you logged off). Inactives shouldn't count... but thanks to Covert Cynosural Field Generator, this can never be the case. Anything in local does count, even when it shouldn't.

The way I see it, no local=no go; delayed local+probing doesn't fix anything; too much safety for the locals=also no go; and structure bashing=for smaller groups, definitely no go either.

So, perhaps we need to go about it differently and take the edge off the cyno instead? Keep the sting, but allow for a fighting chance?


Your thoughts, gentlemen?

I'm 'blocked' but somehow you repeatedly respond trolling about WHs immediately after I post.

I expect trolls to at least put effort or creativity into what you're trying to do.

2/10, try harder.

I know your salty but your not obligated to post Sonya. Its ok to just read and never respond with your worthless opinion. Give your input regarding game balance or stay out of this part of the forums.

And here we are with "one more nerf" to cynos even though they have been nerfed via fatigue and jump range reductions.

And I am sure a Bad™ will post that those are not nerfs to cynos, but of course people use cynos withoug bridging or jump drive capable ships right. I mean you just light a cyno and ships automatically explode...or something.

And cynos are not an AFK thing. No player who was AFK ever lit a cyno.

The funny thing (that no one will listen to) is in the 4+ years I've played this game I've never trained capital or blops ship, only lit a cyno a handful of times while spending 90% of my time PvE-ing in hostile null/WHs. EVE is a game of cat and mouse, what's the fun of playing as the mouse if there is no risk of being caught? That's why HS is boring, and that's why cloaky campers and/or cynos shouldn't be nerfed. Living with 2-3 other people in hostile null or WHs has been the most fun I've had in this game. I'd be bored out of my mind if things got safer for what I do.

For everyone who has "blocked me", that's why I am posting in this thread.

You speak of cat and mouse and yet you leave the part out about cloaking being safe. Its easier making Null less safer and more interesting by 100 other more constructive and interesting mechanics like more wormholes opening into active systems, player built gates and other random fun pvp mechanics to make null less safer. The one thing you cling on to is the least fun and most broken or rather carebear method of pvping. Camping till you catch someone. Just cause you like to pve with a gun to your head dosen't make it constructive rather destructive when the cloaky is holding all the cards and the trigger.

Explain why AFK cloaking makes pvp good and leaves both sides feeling satisfied and I'll rest my case.