Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its irrelevant when in terms of talking about being a threat to your ratting, mnining, PI etc which is what people are complaining about.

You can do all these things when you are prepared and part of a group which is pretty much what living in null sec is all about.


Being able to cloak for long periods of time is important for gathering intel such as locations of people's bookmarks, peoples playing habits, times and habits of people your tracking etc.

You can learn a lot of your enemy just by watching them, things which are next to impossible to learn otherwise.

Can I pull a Teckos here? You can't do any of those things if you are AFK loooool

(okay that was too good to pass up- sorry bud ;-)

But yes. We know that. That's why we believe it's not too much to ask that we can counter said intel gathering, keeping in mind the cloaker will always be several steps ahead of us ..... unless he's AFK. It's not unreasonable if you think about it, and everyone here is quite aware what AFK cloakers are used for; even though I believe that if it's worth doing, then DO it. Don't just walk away from the computer for the better part of a day-- then, it's clearly not worth doing ...

I would have nothing against having some kind of tool to at least give people a fighting chance of detecting a cloaked ship. At the very least if it forces the person to actually be active at their machine then great.

If done right it could be a really cool and fun mechanic.

I have seen the idea of using some kind of probe, people use the submarine analogy and have done for years as a way to combat afk cloaking and I think that could be a really fun mechanic.

What am I completely against is it effectively being nerfed it so hard it become useless because some people expect the right to rat in ultimate safety solo.

That's understood. Goes without saying, but thanks for saying it anyway. Have anything in mind? We'd love to hear some fresh ideas in here

Well, part of the problem is that there's a thick coating of oneliners you have to punch through before you're even allowed to have an opinion here. Sad but true.

There are very simple solutions, some refreshingly daring ones, some acceptable yet fairly complex ones ... but what we didn't have, was a platform to properly discuss our options. Instead, thread after thread got bogged down by the same old folks posting the same old conversation stoppers, based on assumptions you were barely allowed to challenge. Those arguments sure sound convincing enough, right up until there's so many holes in the underlying logic you cannot help but notice there's no substance left.

Like the latest gem we had: "It was neither AFK nor cloaked when he pointed and hotdropped you, so he's not an AFK cloaker" (never mind he's been sitting cloaked in his safe all week 'Still not an AFK cloaker yolololooo!') ...... Trollscience can prove anything!

Many threads of old got locked before anyone even had the chance to point out the glaring holes.

I am however hopeful for the future, as CCP has been removing a lot of those cancer mechanics and borderline exploits over the past few years. Game's been changing for the better (at least in my opinion it has).

It has to change now that alpha clones are a thing.

A lot of the trollol suggestions (first we need global peace, then we can look at afk cloaky camping) are actually not terrible ideas for wormhole space (which are lacking a certain penache to become mainstream habitable).

For example player deployable (and destroyable) gates and local intel generators.

I do like the idea of a minigame rotating around scanning down afk cloaky campers. But the trick is for it to be a game with play and counter play. So totally screwing the AFK, and totally engaging the ATK players involved.

You lot want to get rid of AFK cloaking so why are you not gunning for the reason AFK cloaking happens?

Get rid of local being so good as instant 100% accurate intel and you destroy AFK cloaking.

The only area of space where people whine about AFK cloaking is sov null, sov null is also the only place you will find local being used for intel in such a way that the only option is to AFK camp a system to get kills.

You want to nerf the pvpers for using AFK camping to get around an intel system that has no other counters. How about we nerf the reason to AFK cloak rather than punish pvpers and give ratters yet another free ride?

Never answered, always avoided because its a nerf to you and you don't want that.



So nerf local and afk camping will be wiped out as it will no longer work.



Feel free to tell us all how you can stay awake and aleart for the several days/weeks that are required to get the same results as AFK camping requires to get around intel provided by local.

No one has ever said how making ratting and mining in null 100% risk free 100% of the time creates more PvP content. Literally the only people who complain about AFK cloaking are PvEers in sov null.

And if you're saying WH space is dead, that just makes it painfully obvious you never go in WHs.