Player Features and Ideas Discussion

LOL not at all, you hit no nerve, I just think it was time to call you out on what you are, I have killed more than you have, this may be my main but I have five times the kills you have on one of my older other accounts which I gave to a friend and ten times the losses you have you raving carebear. Look at that 102 losses, you obviously don't take any risks mate, simple as that!

You live in WH space because you are too fail to hack it in 0.0 space and you whine about local because it is too hard, pathetic

You can call me what you want, I think you are a whiny carebear WH easy kill loser who moans about local because its too hard for you...

Wait, how do you make ISK when you are cloaked? Last I checked, you aren't able to activate any modules when cloaked

Now that would not surprise me, drop the I win button types and those that cloaky camp a lot.

I told you I have never lived in WH space, the details are above you moron. I know enough about WH space to be able to compare the differences, and the whining over local by whiny WH bears who want easy kills in null sec is odious, and what is so annoying is that when you guys go for it your damn good fun for brawls, but lay off the local whining it makes you look weak.

I remember one WH player killing a corp mates drake in a Tengu and Cynabal, so I jammed them allowing the Drake to escape, so he goes good fight until the Falcon appeared, that was not a fight and he was in GTFO ships to boot, that is the rubbish I saw from WH players, but I have been in a slug fest where a large WH alliance trashed one of the null sec alliance fleets I was in, was awesome to watch and I enjoyed being killed in that fight.

So stop being a damn carebear about local, man up!!!!

My "complaining" is just the truth. Using local as your main source of intel made you vulnerable for AFK-cloaking. It was invented to counter your use of local as your primary way of gathering intel.

Your the carebare who think its ok to stay safe behind a cloak. Cloaked ships should not be safe, they should be able to die because someone or something should be able to hunt them.

That's not entirely true. PvE'ers have traditionally argued from an empire builder perspective; using words such as 'sovereign rights' to question why they aren't allowed to purge unwanted visitors from their space. Mission runners are generally immune to being cloaky camped, as they do their work in complexes which need to be scanned down anyway and which forbid cynos and warp-in spots. Miners on the other hand, find it impossible to operate with a cloaky camper in system. And rightly so: they work in predictable locations which you don't need to scan down, with none of the safeguards a mission runner enjoys. Since mining ships are only lightly armed, they do not even have the choice to defend themselves -- hence the complaints.

Now, PvP'ers are a wholly different bunch. They too get frustrated when there is a cloaky target in system they are powerless to engage; and get even more frustrated when an enemy keeps cloaky eyes on a gate guaranteeing no fun fights will be had in systems at either end of the gate.

It's not just the nullsec PvE'ers who think there is room for improvement. I've heard frustration from wormholers and die-hard PvP'ers as well -- they only voice different concerns.

The PvE'er may think he's entitled to good intel because they own the system. And such is a valid point: they DO in fact own the system after all, aye?

The PvP'er on the other hand won't demonstrate the same sense of entitlement, instead downplaying the #noSkill #noEffort gameplay of their cloaky counterparts, and move on. This does not mean, however, that everything is fine.

Perhaps it is time to acknowledge this. Not all points raised in this thread came from ratters; and it's not just sov null either, but also NPC null, lowsec. Wormholers obviously won't complain about AFK cloakers because there is no reason to do it AFK; although parking a scanner alt in a hole to evict the residents is also a thing you know? I happen to know more than a few ex-wormhole residents who weren't all too pleased with the inability to defend their hole by purging unwanted elements.

Downplaying it to merely a sov null ratter issue will not advance discussion -- It'll just keep the wheel turning for another 400 pages.

I disagree. Having lived in null as well as wormholes I've yet to meet a WH resident who complains about AFK cloaking. You just fly as if there is a hostile in system 24/7.

So you have a alt that lives in highsec that you use to post in here, okay.

Cloaking is broken everywhere.

But then some people could swear on the fact that entosis interceptors wasn't broken either. Neither was carrier hotswapping moduals in mid battle. Hell even repping concordicon suiciders keeping them alive in empire wasn't broken at one point too. My favourite was off grid DDs that whipped entire fleets using a cyno when titans were added. Lets just bring that s**t back cause you know, they weren't broken.

Edit: Totally forgot, best example right in front of me. Off grid fleet boosting. That **** was totally broken right? CCP decided to just rip the whole thing apart and redo it. Time to look at a 400 page long thread and ask if we should still fly invulnerable in space.

My point of view which will get anguished reactions from Teckos and others is that this will enable the little dears to actually do something about local by off lining the OA by well placed shots or two. My view is that the OA must be vulnerable when in operation. Once that is in place then they can no longer fall back on we have no other way to catch people because the first step would be to blow up or off line the OA, thus giving them the advantage.

....when a AFK cloaky camper goes any where near me....