Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We will just have to agree to disagree and let CCP be the judge of the merits of our positions.

Reported as off-topic and pestering.

Please accept that we must agree to disagree, let CCP make its call on the relative merits of our arguments.

And we can move on.

1. Some cloaked ships can be pretty fast even at sublight. So searching will take a very long time if they are moving.
2. AFK cloaking is the one counter to the power of local, so not really balanced.

"AFK" is not the issue or the problem at hand.

Simply being able to cloak with no counter to it at all is the issue.
Doesnt matter if it is Nullsec, Losec, WornholeSpace, or highsec....

The issue is the same, and it is worse in some places when the intended target/victim knows by name the possible intentions of the cloaker.

Take highsec for example, in the past I have used the cloaking mechanic to both be afk creating the threat of possible interdiction by friends or alts to a target under wardec, or even a threat to those know im waiting for any oppurtunity to gank them.

Code does the same in highsec, as do the "Mercenary" groups.

Now you have nullsec, Cloaking (AFK or not does not matter) the threat is slightly more exponential because all the cards are in the hands of the Cloaker. Does not matter if the Cloaker has a cyno or picks a target to torpedo or bomb from the herd.

Wormhole Space, it has no difference from nullsec or even losec....all 3 places have no Concord so the cloaker has little to no fear of losing his/her ship.

Highsec is the only real big difference because the Cloaker will never be the attacker wihout a wardec or suspect flag to use an will always have friends/alts instead as he/she is the warp point.

In these regards of useage or inteded threat making (metagame if you prefer), Local has no bearing what so ever, Cloaking is just too powerful because it does not have single counter to it.

Best idea, make All Cloaking modules require fuel.....strontium (ice products) seems to be CCP's prefered method of use for a great many things these days.

Maybe, but there is the time commitment as well. Living in a wormhole always struck me as requiring a greater degree of commitment to the game. I just can't do that level of commitment.

Removing local is probably too much which is why most people are suggesting alternatives.

So...you kinda have to report your own post for a strawman since you are in such a reporting mood.

Reported above post, trolling.

See? I can do that too!

How would you know if you've (as you admitted) never been in a wormhole?

So some of the differences between NS and WH.

No obvious gates--i.e. they do not show up on the overview.
Cannot use jump drives.
Different rats requiring different set ups and even groups.
Limited infrastructure--i.e. you can't have an outpost, there are no stations, etc.
Wormhole system effects.

These are just the ones I know as somebody who does not live in w-space.

BTW the no jump drive part of wormholes make logistics much harder IMO. One JF can move lots of stuff in very little time with minimal risk. Especially now with citadels.

But nope...it is only the delayed local that is a factor.

Why I live in WHs?

* Very hard for capital ships to be in fights, so you aren't ROFL stomped, you actually get decent fights. It's much harder to batphone.

* being able to actually own space. Sov isn't really ownership, it's accepting what a massive alliance tells you. a smaller group can easily control a single wormhole and call it home.

* small group PvP, this is the place for it. by design it's incredibly annoying to get multi hundred man fleets in. large F1 monkey fleets are among the most boring type of fleet in game, and those don't exist in WHs

* variety of exits, I can hunt in LS one day, in WHs the next, in null later, you aren't stuck with your neighbors

* no perminant structures. everything in game should be able to be destroyed. I'm really annoyed that citadels don't drop loot outside of WHs. If you build it yourself, someone else should be able to take everything in it if it blows up

notice how the lack of local isn't on that list? anyone paying attention when ratting/mining/etc. can get all the info local gives without it

You are the one who keeps bringing it up though.



And yet you keep complaining about everyone going off topic, and incorrectly invoking the straw man fallacy....sheesh.



Back tracking noted.



Now you are sidetracking the thread talking about why more players prefer NS to w-space--i.e. you are dragging the discussion back into a discussion of relative population. Can you decided if you want to have this discussion or not?