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AFK Cloaking™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#7041 - 2016-10-19 18:39:16 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Baltec
I asked if you needed help fitting a T1 frigate. I did not offer to actually help you, though I repeatedly did advise that you seek alliance council if you are that interested.

I have repeatedly demonstrated that your dogmatic positions are wrong. Usually wrong in both a moral and factual sense. Though sometimes just wrong factually.


All you've shown so far is how much you like your own opinions with nothing to back them up as being anything more than figments of your imagination.

Wormholer for life.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7042 - 2016-10-19 18:53:27 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Baltec
I asked if you needed help fitting a T1 frigate. I did not offer to actually help you, though I repeatedly did advise that you seek alliance council if you are that interested.


See when you make a claim as you have you will have people come and ask you to back it up. Its time for you to back up your claim, show us all this t1 frig fit.
Jerghul wrote:

I have repeatedly demonstrated that your dogmatic positions are wrong.


Where?

You have repeatedly spouted the same drivel after being told its wrong. All you are showing is that you will not listen to anyone else.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7043 - 2016-10-19 18:58:23 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Ratpack
Fair enough. I get that you don't want to quantify how badly afk cloaky campers hurt content.

Sonya
I get that you are confused. My heartfelt best wishes for your speedy recovery.

Baltec
Ah, yes. Destroying content because solo. The tragedy of the Commons in a nutshell.

Except afk cloaky camping is not really solo is it? It's afk.


1. The "commons" in the game cannot be destroyed.
2. People who actually study how common pool resources are governed have shown that there are numerous ways to not end up with a tragedy.
3. People in this thread have provided many suggestions on how to deal with an AFK cloaker so as to avoid any supposed tragedy.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7044 - 2016-10-19 19:01:49 UTC
Baltec
Why not wait with baited breath for that T1 frigate fit. I am sure it will work out for you in the end.

QED'd in this thread of course. Dogma is easy enough to disprove. You say something catagorical. I find exceptions. Your dogma is proven incorrect as soon as an exception is found.

You might try modifying your position somewhat to avoid that happening in the future. I would enjoy a bit more of a challenge.

And au contraire. I do listen (or more correctly; read). It would be inpolite not to give each post the attention it deserves.



Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7045 - 2016-10-19 19:03:25 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Ratpack
Back to your old games I see. Reported.

The generic tag is actually complimentary. A group of holywood stars went by it. But it does allude to the echo-chamber function this thread often has. Its hard to keep track of a few of your individual tags as the content of your posts are quite identical.


FYI...I am not Wander.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7046 - 2016-10-19 19:05:54 UTC
Yes please, where is this T1 fit frig that does not need a cloak to afk camp a system.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7047 - 2016-10-19 19:13:58 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Sonya
I get that you are confused. My heartfelt best wishes for your speedy recovery.


So that's what we're doing now? Trolling when someone asks you to back up the things you said?

One more time, what % of your time in null are you in a fleet and on comms?
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7048 - 2016-10-19 19:37:37 UTC
Ratpack
Peas of a pod...

Any T1 frigate that looks like POS trash and can speed tank is fine. Head into deep space and afk until hell freezes over (aka server downtime).

Masters in Fisheries Management, bro :). The commons resource this case are ratters. The commons is undocked space.

Indeed they have spoken of many things. With my suggestion being by far the least instrusive.

Sonya
Its not about me, sis. Nor is it about you.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7049 - 2016-10-19 20:07:06 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Ratpack
Peas of a pod...

Any T1 frigate that looks like POS trash and can speed tank is fine. Head into deep space and afk until hell freezes over (aka server downtime).



And get probed down and killed within the hour.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7050 - 2016-10-19 20:20:18 UTC
Baltec
Your view is symptomatic perhaps of the extreme risk adversion afk cloaky campers share as a common trait. Something is broken unless 100% certain?

If the t1 frigate was actually caught on dscan range and someone thought "yay, a t1 frigate. I better probe it down", then the ship would also have to arrange for speed capability able to catch up with the speed tanked frigate (ships warp to the were the frigate was, not where it is when they exit warp). In what paranoid universe is that a likely sequence of events?

And even if we were to enter that incredble universe for a moment....then all the t1 frigate pilot has to do is try again the next day. He only needs to get out of dscan range to never be found again (barring completely ludicrous series of events).

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7051 - 2016-10-19 20:50:06 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Baltec
Your view is symptomatic perhaps of the extreme risk adversion afk cloaky campers share as a common trait. Something is broken unless 100% certain?

If the t1 frigate was actually caught on dscan range and someone thought "yay, a t1 frigate. I better probe it down", then the ship would also have to arrange for speed capability able to catch up with the speed tanked frigate (ships warp to the were the frigate was, not where it is when they exit warp). In what paranoid universe is that a likely sequence of events?

And even if we were to enter that incredble universe for a moment....then all the t1 frigate pilot has to do is try again the next day. He only needs to get out of dscan range to never be found again (barring completely ludicrous series of events).


Are you trolling now, or do you simply not play this game? It seems like you've just given up on the topic of this thread and are just saying whatever you can to "win" this d̶e̶b̶a̶t̶e̶ argument. What group outside of HS would not probe down and kill even a T1 frig if they could?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7052 - 2016-10-19 21:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Jerghul wrote:
Baltec
Your view is symptomatic perhaps of the extreme risk adversion afk cloaky campers share as a common trait. Something is broken unless 100% certain?

If the t1 frigate was actually caught on dscan range and someone thought "yay, a t1 frigate. I better probe it down", then the ship would also have to arrange for speed capability able to catch up with the speed tanked frigate (ships warp to the were the frigate was, not where it is when they exit warp). In what paranoid universe is that a likely sequence of events?

And even if we were to enter that incredble universe for a moment....then all the t1 frigate pilot has to do is try again the next day. He only needs to get out of dscan range to never be found again (barring completely ludicrous series of events).


Show me this fit, hell at this point I will even settle for the ships name.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7053 - 2016-10-19 21:20:28 UTC
Sonya
How boring are those wormholes you live in? Surely watching paint dry would give rise to more excitement than a t1 frigate?

Suffice to say that a neut in system will not cause much in the way of dscan activity, let alone systematic attempts to bracket accessible portions of the system in dscan range. Nor would a frigate on dscan rouse much in the way of interest even if one did turn up. Actually reshipping to probe it down? lulz. Get a life.

A neut in system that loiters for more than it would take to transit gates is generally written off as a *insert profanity* cloaky camper unless dscanned in gate proximity.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7054 - 2016-10-19 21:22:21 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Sonya
How boring are those wormholes you live in? Surely watching paint dry would give rise to more excitement than a t1 frigate?

Suffice to say that a neut in system will not cause much in the way of dscan activity, let alone systematic attempts to bracket accessible portions of the system in dscan range. Nor would a frigate on dscan rouse much in the way of interest even if one did turn up. Actually reshipping to probe it down? lulz. Get a life.

A neut in system that loiters for more than it would take to transit gates is generally written off as a *insert profanity* cloaky camper unless dscanned in gate proximity.


1/10, try to troll harder please. Decent trolling needs to not be obvious. Come on, you can do it! You can keep trolling me! I believe in you.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7055 - 2016-10-19 21:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Sonya
You have the right to your opinion. And my pity from what I am garnering from the tediousness of the wormhole lifestyle.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7056 - 2016-10-19 21:30:42 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Sonya
You have the right to your opinion. And my pity from what I am garnering from the tediousness of the wormhole lifestyle.


Its not an opinion, you have zero idea of what happens in this game.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7057 - 2016-10-19 21:33:38 UTC
Baltec
Thank you for both those opinions. Feel free to have as many as you like.

Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7058 - 2016-10-19 22:05:56 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Baltec
Thank you for both those opinions. Feel free to have as many as you like.


Its not an opinion. You can't grasp even the most basic concepts and right on this very page you are insisting an afk t1 frig won't get probed down and killed.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7059 - 2016-10-19 22:24:31 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Sonya
You have the right to your opinion. And my pity from what I am garnering from the tediousness of the wormhole lifestyle.


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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7060 - 2016-10-19 22:24:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jerghul wrote:
Ratpack
Peas of a pod...

Any T1 frigate that looks like POS trash and can speed tank is fine. Head into deep space and afk until hell freezes over (aka server downtime).



And get probed down and killed within the hour.


Yup....

Next bad idea?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online