Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We also learned they think a T1 frig can MWD AFK in a hostile system and not get shredded.

This has been explained to you several times, high sec local cannot be used as an intel tool like in null space.


It counters intel gathered via local by making it unreliable. They can see the red in local, the red/neutral has been there all day every day for two weeks so they have no idea if they are active or not. This has been explained to you dosens of times now.


No idea what you mean by this.

baltec
Would it be fair to say that afk cloaky camping habituates players into eventually making a mistake (undocking to rat in a system containing at least one hostile ship)?

It boils down to the line I fed you:

Afk cloaky camping is ultimately a counter to high isk/tick expectations using highly optimized ratting ships without the perception of risk (from the user perpective there is no risk of losing the ratting ship).

Its not a counter to local. Otherwise it would be used in high sec. Where it is not used. Hence it is a counter to something else that you seem to have huge difficulty formulating.

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Afk cloaky camping certainly is a counter to small gang roams.

You keep our targets docked up bro. Far more effectively than any alliance warning system can.

I love how Jerghul likes to have it both ways.

AFK cloaking poses a serious threat.

AFK cloaking poses no threat.

Maybe Jerghul is Schrödinger's cat.

Nobody cares about AFK cloaking in HS.

If it does not work in high sec local, then it is not a counter to local.

This is not exactly rocket science.

Ratpack
There we go. Yes, afk cloaky campers do indeed represent chaff in null-sec local. Thank you.

The chaff does two things:

1. It discourages activity by keeping players docked up.
2. It habituates player into acting as if an unsafe environment is safer than it is.

The problem is that step 2. is incredibly time consuming. Recent afk cloaky campers in this thread mention weeks of habituation time before making a kill is viable.

This amounts to content removal.

Afk cloaky campers are rooster blocking small gang roams that rely on the combination of high target density + human error to get kills.

My suggestion (cloaks aligned to the new command burst system. 5 hour charge capacity for the cloaking module) allows for sustained, but not indefinate afk cloaky camping, while introducing an element of human error to afk cloaky camping operation.

Doing this would increase content in a number of ways with very little in the way of intrusive impact on the afk cloaky camper life-style.

I would run with this if I were you. The raison etre of afk anything is gone with the introduction of alpha clones. Server numbers no longer need the active player number buff afk anything represents.

Change is coming and this suggestion is the most painless of many imaginable.

Literally just tore this argument of yours apart in the post above. You AFK camp a system because that is the only way to catch the people in there.


Nobody AFK camps to boost server numbers for CPP, Alpha clones will have zero impact on any of this.

It doesn't work in HS because the value of local is so low except in special circumstances and even then being cloaked and AFK does nothing to the activities those systems.

For example people ganking freighters in Niarja won't care if I AFK cloak all week there. They'll simply ignore me and gank away.

You are pretending the dynamics/mechanics are used the same in two very different parts of the game. NS/HS both engender very different types of player behavior even though local works exactly the same. People will fly through HS completely ignoring local, whereas it is the first thing a pilot flying though NS will check after every jump.