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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6721 - 2016-09-23 15:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Dracvlad wrote:
See you ignored my comment on your moronic statement. I thought you would, not a surprise.

What am I nerfing exactly?


...cloaks....that's kinda sorta the point of this thread. It's even in the title.

And yes, I am ignoring the stupider things you say, given your entire goal here is to make AFK ratting trivial in null
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6722 - 2016-09-23 16:18:06 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
So you leave someone in a system because you don't like local? You are weird, totally weird, so you don't like long term game mechanics so you plonk someone in a system. Roll


Yes, using game mechanics (cloaking) to counter other game mechanics (local).

Unlike you who just whines for another nerf, instead of using you know, game mechanics.


See you ignored my comment on your moronic statement. I thought you would, not a surprise.

What am I nerfing exactly?


The only counter to local.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6723 - 2016-09-23 17:56:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
So you leave someone in a system because you don't like local? You are weird, totally weird, so you don't like long term game mechanics so you plonk someone in a system. Roll


Yes, using game mechanics (cloaking) to counter other game mechanics (local).

Unlike you who just whines for another nerf, instead of using you know, game mechanics.


See you ignored my comment on your moronic statement. I thought you would, not a surprise.

What am I nerfing exactly?


The only counter to local.


No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6724 - 2016-09-23 18:47:28 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


What am I nerfing exactly?


The only counter to local.


No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


Which also encompasses the only counter to local at this time.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6725 - 2016-09-23 18:48:45 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


What am I nerfing exactly?


The only counter to local.


No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


Which also encompasses the only counter to local at this time.


What when you are AFK?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6726 - 2016-09-23 19:56:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


What am I nerfing exactly?


The only counter to local.


No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


Which also encompasses the only counter to local at this time.


What when you are AFK?


Or ATK. A cloaked ship makes local less reliable.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6727 - 2016-09-23 20:27:33 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

The only counter to local.


No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


Which also encompasses the only counter to local at this time.


What when you are AFK?


Or ATK. A cloaked ship makes local less reliable.


No problem with ATK

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6728 - 2016-09-23 21:17:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


So you agree that we should auto logoff any miner who is AFK mining, or any ratter who is AFK ratting with a drone boat as well.

They are actually earning ISK while engaging in AFK gameplay, so I'm assuming you're more upset about them than someone cloaked and unable to do anything.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6729 - 2016-09-24 00:19:20 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


No problem with ATK


Still nerfing the only counter to local.
Skipper Riddles
Ivory Vanguard
#6730 - 2016-09-24 02:39:01 UTC
Can reworking the jumpgate action camera be considered?

Maybe make it something a little smoother than that quick whip to the other side. I was thinking something smooth and 1st and/or 3rd person from chase cam behind the ship. Like the acceleration gate action; A more realistic 'journey' view "through the gate" rather than to the gate and "WAMMO WHIP" I just think it puts to much 'drama' on the screen in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6731 - 2016-09-24 07:20:42 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


So you agree that we should auto logoff any miner who is AFK mining, or any ratter who is AFK ratting with a drone boat as well.

They are actually earning ISK while engaging in AFK gameplay, so I'm assuming you're more upset about them than someone cloaked and unable to do anything.


You should ask yourself that question, then think about the issues of automatic safe logout and how it affects Super and Titan hunting.

A miner who is mining ice obviously can sit there afk for a long time, but it is not what it was when the ice would not deplete, now it does. CCP adjusted that to make it less of an issue. In most systems the ice disappears within 20 minutes, being AFK means you won't get much ice mate.

In a Skiff I had one and a half cycles on the asteroids I was mining in my preferred system, hardly the time to powder my nose... Being AFK means you will not get much ore mate...

But I would be happy to see an AFK flag on them too if they have been inactive for more than an hour and if someone puts up an OS to apply the AFK flag, seems fair to me.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6732 - 2016-09-24 07:21:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


No problem with ATK


Still nerfing the only counter to local.


No issue with ATK, only AFK play 24/24 and 7/7...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6733 - 2016-09-24 07:30:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
No, I am suggesting a nerf to AFK game play.


So you agree that we should auto logoff any miner who is AFK mining, or any ratter who is AFK ratting with a drone boat as well.

They are actually earning ISK while engaging in AFK gameplay, so I'm assuming you're more upset about them than someone cloaked and unable to do anything.


You should ask yourself that question, then think about the issues of automatic safe logout and how it affects Super and Titan hunting.

A miner who is mining ice obviously can sit there afk for a long time, but it is not what it was when the ice would not deplete, now it does. CCP adjusted that to make it less of an issue. In most systems the ice disappears within 20 minutes, being AFK means you won't get much ice mate.

In a Skiff I had one and a half cycles on the asteroids I was mining in my preferred system, hardly the time to powder my nose... Being AFK means you will not get much ore mate...

But I would be happy to see an AFK flag on them too if they have been inactive for more than an hour and if someone puts up an OS to apply the AFK flag, seems fair to me.


So AFK acquisition of resources is fine.

AFK denial of others acquiring resources because they can't sort themselves...bad.

Gee yeah, your idea is swell. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6734 - 2016-09-24 16:44:49 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You should ask yourself that question, then think about the issues of automatic safe logout and how it affects Super and Titan hunting.

A miner who is mining ice obviously can sit there afk for a long time, but it is not what it was when the ice would not deplete, now it does. CCP adjusted that to make it less of an issue. In most systems the ice disappears within 20 minutes, being AFK means you won't get much ice mate.

In a Skiff I had one and a half cycles on the asteroids I was mining in my preferred system, hardly the time to powder my nose... Being AFK means you will not get much ore mate...

But I would be happy to see an AFK flag on them too if they have been inactive for more than an hour and if someone puts up an OS to apply the AFK flag, seems fair to me.


So AFK acquisition of resources is fine.

AFK denial of others acquiring resources because they can't sort themselves...bad.

Gee yeah, your idea is swell. Roll


Did I say that it was fine, all I did was point out that if you are AFK while mining you cannot be AFK for long, because they don't mine anything after a short period. I also pointed out that CCP has changed ice so you cannot AFK mine, and they reduce the size of roids the next DT the more a system is mined. But of course you do not know that.

Linking in AFK cloaky camping to the limited amount of AFK mining that one can do is kinda naff, but thats how far you have to go to defend AFK play... Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6735 - 2016-09-24 17:32:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You should ask yourself that question, then think about the issues of automatic safe logout and how it affects Super and Titan hunting.

A miner who is mining ice obviously can sit there afk for a long time, but it is not what it was when the ice would not deplete, now it does. CCP adjusted that to make it less of an issue. In most systems the ice disappears within 20 minutes, being AFK means you won't get much ice mate.

In a Skiff I had one and a half cycles on the asteroids I was mining in my preferred system, hardly the time to powder my nose... Being AFK means you will not get much ore mate...

But I would be happy to see an AFK flag on them too if they have been inactive for more than an hour and if someone puts up an OS to apply the AFK flag, seems fair to me.


"in most systems the ice disappears within 20 minutes". You've never mined ice outside of HS, have you?

I've seen ice belts stay up from downtime to downtime very regularly.

Why are you so up in arms about one part of AFK play that doesn't harm anyone, can't kill anyone and can't earn ISK instead of the AFK playstyles that let people actually gather resources?

No one has ever done any harm by being cloaked and AFK.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6736 - 2016-09-24 18:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Dracvlad wrote:


No issue with ATK, only AFK play 24/24 and 7/7...


You are nerfing them though and you are giving everyone no counter to the intel given by local. All to nerf a ship that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and doesn't even have a pilot controlling it.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6737 - 2016-09-24 19:20:04 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Did I say that it was fine, all I did was point out that if you are AFK while mining you cannot be AFK for long, because they don't mine anything after a short period. I also pointed out that CCP has changed ice so you cannot AFK mine, and they reduce the size of roids the next DT the more a system is mined. But of course you do not know that.

Linking in AFK cloaky camping to the limited amount of AFK mining that one can do is kinda naff, but thats how far you have to go to defend AFK play... Roll


No, but you are arguing against it. Instead of simply saying, "No, you're right that is bad too." Why can't you just write that instead of all this other nonsense?

One AFK playstyle has a tangible and measurable effect on the game, they other does not...but here you are providing a defense for the former. Seriously are you suffering from a psychological condition where you always have to be right and everyone else wrong?

And there is more to mining just ice. Mining ore in a skiff you could literally go AFK for what...10ish cycles or about 13 minutes. You could easily do this while doing something else stopping by every 10 minutes to empty the ore into a can.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6738 - 2016-09-24 19:47:37 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
No one has ever done any harm by being cloaked and AFK.


That is just a stupid troll comment, there are lots of posts in this thread where the harm done by this is explained in great detail.

Reading and comprehension is obviously not you... Shocked

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6739 - 2016-09-24 23:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Dracvlad wrote:
That is just a stupid troll comment, there are lots of posts in this thread where the harm done by this is explained in great detail.

Reading and comprehension is obviously not you... Shocked


Please link me the killmails that someone got while they were AFK. Also link me the names of the sites you can run or materials you can mine while AFK cloaked. Literally all the "harm" is "golly, someone MIGHT shoot me, so I can't undock. Or it's what you said, "warping out of sites if annoying, so I won't bother to run them." Harden up, kitten. Or play a different game.

Thanks. Look forward to your insight.

Oh wait, you'll just call me a troll again, because personal insults are easier to use than logic. Keep it up tiger!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6740 - 2016-09-25 05:37:20 UTC
I suppose Dracvlad would point to players who, instead of adapting to the presence of an cloaker (AFK or ATK) who simply log off as being "harm".

My issue with that is that these players just don't get the game. You are not entitled to safe space. At all.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online