Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was in fleet and I was paying attention, he was not at his keyboard however... or did not want to risk his BLOP's until he had more on, its the type of game it is. Having been in multiple counter drop groups and set many traps in the past I don't need lectures from a one liner speacialist.

So long story short, you're admitting AFK cloaking is a non issue for people actually paying attention when ratting/mining.

See KB people are not catch by perma cloacker in majority ... but by roam. Perma cloack are here juste to make moral harassement, nothing more, nothing less. So remove it to avoid problem in futur with law (moral harassment in video game are illegal in a lot of country who CCP sell the game). You have a lot of counter you can deploy, choose one, and deploy it.
People have cry after nerf of capital projection , people will cry for nerf of cloacking, but you must nerf (fuel for cloack ?)

Fuel is an exemple of emergency change. An exemple; because CCP haven't deploy OA . Or a pos module if you want.

Problem is when they stop to be AFK. And don't said: it's counter to perfect intel , it"s false, it they who have perfect intel , not people who are in the system for live. (you have all information in relation with ADM, number of jump, you can use d-scan cloack and see if you're opponent do something he can't know if you does something). And a lot of people use it only to make moral harassement (read some bio/description in game of people homage afk clocking)

No.

Cloaking ships already are weaker than other ships in their class....as it should be. Adding fuel, cap drain, etc. weakens them even further....simply for your benefit. You have made no case for why this should be the case. And no harassment (moral or immoral) is not valid as it is not harassment. The silliness of that claim is obvious. Clearly you do not think my shooting your ship is harassment, but me not shooting you and being a boogie man in local is harassment?

Now, removing AFK cloaking and removing the indestructible nature of local--i.e. moving intel to an anchorable structure that lets you do things to find out who is in your system and possible where they are, fine.

But they both must go.

I think my suggestion will solve this too. I'm not sure what the issue is here. You are clearly are already "doing something" to try and bait the guy. So all I'm saying is, okay...lets keep it that way AND if the guy sits at a safe "too long" you'll land on him tackle him and your buddies will come in and you'll all send him back to wherever he came from via pod express. In short order, there will be no guys AFK cloaking and you won't have to worry he is off eating a pizza while you waste your time.

Serious question...where am I wrong with this?

In the end there with my suggestion, I don't see how AFK cloaking is viable...so no need for an AFK flag. You'll know any cloaked ship almost surely has somebody at the keyboard (or soon will if he cloaked up to go grab another beer and if the wife "tackles" him about taking out the trash he may comeback to find himself back in Torrinos).



While "it might be enough for you" I doubt it will stop the whining in general. Some players may figure out a clever way to use this to kill ratters/miners. I know you are fine with that, but many people complaining here are not. In fact, they are not fine with cloaks in general. They'd be super happy if cloaks were removed altogether. The new whines would be along the lines of, "Well he could comeback at any minute!" "He had and AFK Flag and then I failed to notice it dropped [because I was watching Game of Thrones again], a sound should be added!!!"

Thing is I also want some of the lazy also taken out of NS ratting/mining.

They are logged in, but are at work, asleep or otherwise occupied, basically AFK and its you who is being ridiculous because you are trolling. I cannot kill someone who is cloaked logged in but AFK, my only option is to bait him, so I waste time baiting the guy when he is not atthe keyboard because I have no idea that he is not at his keyboard, do you get it. Please try to keep up, you sound like a bigger loser every time you do a troll.

Teckos, I keep pointing out that it is not free intel, it is an OS and if it is operational then it is vulnerable so it can be attacked, so it will need defence, all the camper has to do is blow it up. So hardly free intel.

I notice that you completely ignore the fact of it being something in space that is vulnerable, which is a very important factor, part of sov war should be to downgrade defences and AFL flags and local should be something that can be destroyed. So no it is not free intel, I do not want free intel in the game.

EDIT: And in the post above you start to see it, I do not want to make it easy for people to rat in security, but AFK camping is poor gameplay.

This is one suggestion that on the face of it people would support, and yes I could support that however there is an issue, RL sometimes can get in the way, which is why I did not want to make it so people would be killed too easily, I am also aware of the issue it has with Supers and Titans.

So the OA would pin point your location and you would warp to it, but that person is moving so you have to do it a number of times to get his heading, then it is a case of burning down the line, difficult but possible, easier the bigger and slower the ship is while cloaked. Cheetahs are going to be nasty. But at least with a bit of maths I could work out what the ships speed was, all good intel.

I think that the balance impact on RL would make it too easy in my opinion, I went down the AFK path because I did not want to ruin the value of cloaks.

So I much prefer my suggestion.

It does not ruin cloaks if you are ATK, IMO. If I am warping between safes, and probing/pin-pointing is not "fast" like it is now with uncloaked ships, then a cloaking ship, with a person ATK will be a PITA. As it should be IMO. But since he can't go AFK without getting blown up, only ATK cloaking survives.

Yes the devil will be in the details as a ship that moves fast even while cloaked could be an issue.