Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So full of hate, people AFK cloak in WH's by the way, because most people have scouts on the entry holes it is effectively the same...

You must be deaf, people mentioned this when they complained over the watch list change, so why would they complain over that change unless it gave them intel on something?

There is a difference betwen scouting a WH entrance for some hours (or 2 days) untill it goes EOL or gets rolled, and sitting in a system for weeks.
Wh stuff is mostly defensive, you want to see when to go siege red and peace out before the enemy 15 man mini blob arrives, nullsec you can expect to get dropped by 50 guys and even with a FAX machine and a big fleet on standby ready to hop in and help you, you still gonna die. Yeah, sure, ya'll kill a 25m fit bomber or a cheetah cyno and maybe one or two guys that don't know how to fire and align out at the same time, 70m on KB for your 2-5b loss, op success lol.

I don't afk camp but I know people who do and it's imho the ga*est thing to do (even more than gatecamping with citadels), if you wanna drop- go hunting, multiple kills per day instead of 1 every 3 months in a locked down system.

An AFK flag is horrible in that it grants very cheap intel. Intel should always come via effort. Anchoring a structure and slapping on the right mod should not then hand out intel in such a fashion.

Further, an AFK flag will not tell you if the person is really AFK or not. There is no way for the client to avoid false positives at all.

It might be too easy to set up a bot to enter a simple command every once in a while. Don't think CCP can detect that in such a way it doesn't create false positives.

Before even debating the what or why, I think there's some practical issues.

EvE players are nothing if not crafty nerds.

Or you just flip it in reverse?

If you're going for the whole "local is getting ****** up and going away, we are gonna need to turn it back on" thing, you could have the new structures just not log people unless they are active.
Kinda like speaking up in local in a WH, If you do "something" you appear in local, Otherwise you don't.
Not doing something for a while makes you disappear from local, as the structure doesn't log any activity from the ship.

- Suggetions for lowering perfect intel-
System is delayed by X seconds, so ships don't appear immediately in a system (allowing for system intel to still "function" but at a handicap, giving a small carrot to actual legitimate hunters)
System can be fooled by D-scan immune ships (giving recons another job)

-Suggestion for an interactive element-
Upgrades could be a local grid scan, A sort of hacking mini game type deal where you have to interact with the structure (so many times a day.. not all the time) to activate a system wide scan which puts all the names in local for a short time, If you fail it breaks the local in the system for a bit so that it does dark.

All up for anything, just should be risks and rewards to doing anything in this game.
Local is too good intel - Cloaky camping is cheap.
Both need a nerf.

1) "afk" flag- let's say you can detect custom written executables, keyboard macros, or a player's cat walking over the keyboard. How do you detect a player not touching his keyboard and yet looking at the undock/ pos? System still locked down.

2) Observatory seems to be the best solution, with a system-wide aoe decloaking module, or something.
Long cooldown (10+ min to not kill all people cloaking to wait their combat timer), and a couple second spool-up with warning (observatory array charging it's dank superweapon!)
If the camper is not asleep he can warp off and cloak again.
Since it's a structure and can be blown up it will be mostly used by people controlling the space, guessing it will also have other uses (looking cool AF?). The decloaking aoe could be disabled in HS (or give very long cooldown/ spool-up).

Because hunter tengus need a buff :) (not really).
Most ratting and pvp systems have scouts all over the place and a functioning intel channel. Not much would change, people reading intel would live, afk'ers and special snowflakes would die, 24/7 campers not affected at all.

EVE is risk vs reward

Give all covert ops frigs a 200m cargo bay -bombers keep their already larger bay, no cargo bay reductions.
Give helios a 3rd high slot so it can fit covert ops cloak, covert cyno and probes like the others... wtf were you thinking ccp?
most covert ops frigs can carry up to 400 fuel + their many probes giving them 16 covert ops cynos.

Set every cloaking device to use liquid ozone. activation duration 30s. 1 liquid ozone per activation cycle.
prototype: capacity: 60. reload 1 minute. 30 minutes of cloaking before reload.
improved: capacity: 90. reload 1 minute. 45 minutes of cloaking before reload.
storyline: capacity 120. reload 45 seconds. 60 minutes of cloaking before reload.
faction: capacity 150. reload 30 seconds. 75 minutes of cloaking before reload.
officer: capacity 300. reload 30 seconds. 150 minutes of cloaking before reload.

covert ops: capacity 120. reload 30 seconds. 60 minutes of cloaking before reload.

covert ops frigs: You only need 25 liquid ozone to light off a covert cyno, so you can choose to bounce safes elusively conserving liquid ozone while people try to find you and then cloak when needed, but if you're packed with 400 liquid ozone -reserving 50 for at least 2 covert cynos- that give you 350 for cloaking, which is about 275 minutes or 4 hours 35 minutes of terror cloaking the locals before you are out. You can utilize cargo expanders to get up to 415m³ just shy of 7 hours terrorizing locals before unable to hotdrop anyone.
Of course, the stealth bomber is equally suitable still with a larger cargo bay for fuel, but it -like all will eventually run out of fuel and the locals able to try to curb stomp you.

stealth bombers and others: you need at least 25 liquid ozone to light a covert cyno and 250 for normal cyno for bringing in non-covert droppers. You have a larger cargo hold, but you're still going to eventually run out, but might have a better chance of escaping.

Blockade Runners can be a crucial depot for cloaky campaigns with their huge cargo hold able to jet out liquid ozone to their cloaky buds, but your own cloak can eventually run out of fuel... you've got the advantage of being able to light up a covert cyno when it is slow and get another blockade runner to fuel you up. Problem with this is you have to get into the area and your cloakers have to be able to get to you.

This complicates cloaky camping, but doesn't eliminate it from the game. Without using blockade runners, your time cloaky camping a system is limited and if targets want to camp the gates and wait out your estimated cloak time from 3 to 8 hours, they still get the chance to try to kill you. You can still safe-log until thing cool down or cycle your campers in system, but there will come the moment when you can either cloak or cyno which is the whole point of this sort of change. You now have the element of risk instead of 23 hour immunity.

Dude, stop being ******** AF, we got it that you are the kind of creepster that loves cloaking and ruining people without any fear of being countered because you don't have any form of authority or power in real life, and therefor unleash your hate on an online game. I exposed how to determine that someone is a camper in my previous posts, if you don't get it, fix your deafness.

Cloacky camping null sec systems mostly affects player "ISK making" activities. A certain number of players affected by this often decide to buy PLEXs to convert into ISKies. This is $$$ for CCP so I do not expect CCP to touch it.

My two cents.