Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cloak campers want to be invincible and unfindable but still be able to react immediately thats fine.


Why not have it so the longer you are cloaked, the longer you have to wait to have module activations?

You need to go afk for a bit? fine.


Stay cloaked for 17 hours undetectably and for all purposes invincibly then want to come back and immediately kill people? It'd stop that.


I mean, both sides have bears... pvp bears who want to hide in their safety den until they can find an easy kill
And null bears who want their den to be safe.

If you are in space, you should not be safe , that's the motto of pvp bears, and it should apply to them as well. Especially "forever".

On every character ive flown into a red system, and even on the gate cloaked and max speeded in a direction as i went to sleep/afk I have yet to be caught.

But... tell me, a red warps in, warps to a safespot and cloaks. Prove everyone wrong and say how to detect their location

Two things need to be done.

First, a decent nerf on the Stratios, who is a real cancer and a "I am noob but let's pewpew" ship. It was designed to be an exploration craft with decent combat capabilities, and ended being a stupid ship used only by low grade "pvpers", because it hurts me to name a Stratios jerk being a PvPer.

Second, apply a counter to cloaking devices. At the moment, cloaking is the stupidest thing to find in the game, just sit here half afk and wait for an opportunity to take a kill without having any chance of being spotted. There are several good ideas to counter this, like special combat probes that are able to detect cloaked crafts, or like I saw in other posts, a cap drain for cloaking that would force people to sacrifice combat strength to keep cloaking (because let's be honest, being able able to wreck someone like hell and just cloak back is pure goat sh*t.)

Why not ? Covert Ops cyno gives you the ability to warp while being cloaked, what is quite a big advantage, but why should there be only advantages and no pain ? A delay is quite a good idea.

the previous 200+ pages of bickering aside, I'll give you an argument: Stratios has a targeting delay. So basically, the moment it (or any other recon for that matter) decides to engage is crucial. If it doesn't manage to land hard tackle (eg: Scram en one or two webs), it's gonna get kited to death.

Sure it may lit its cyno but that doesn't mean a guaranteed death is jumping through; so when not tackled, by all means vacate grid and post smack in local.

Cloaky Stratios is very similar to a cloaky Heretic. Sure the Heretic can decloak and bubble but that doesn't mean it'll survive the engagement nor does it guarantee a kill.

Now on the other hand, if you can scan cloakies down AND cloaked ships are still announced in local, you can pretty much forget about cloaky camping anything -- INCLUDING at-the-keyboard players.

Many people have come to this thread, and not every one of them has the same reason to do so. Some say AFK is bad. Some say cloaks are bad. Some say both are good but the combination is bad. Some say cloaks are good but covert cyno is bad. As for me, until I hear a good case as to why AFK + cloak is bad, I'm not inclined to do anything about it.

I don't honestly know what kind of argument you expect when your opening volley consists of "I got caught by a solo Stratios so he has to be a noob and horribad and therefore must nerf." Whaaa? If this is low-grade PvP we're done talking really. Those ships require actual SKILL to pilot, so perhaps we should address that particular part of your argument first. You're calling Teckos out on his argument, yet you haven't raised any except "I don't like it" yourself.

- "I don't like it."
- Get gud.
- Dat argument tho.

......LOL? Doesn't seem to me like you have flight hours in a Strat under the belt. It already sacrificed combat strength; if you don't believe me, compare it to a Deimos, an Ishtar or a Zealot, which are probably the closest things but without the cloak.

What bugs you is that combat initiative is at the cloaker's discretion. Which, FYI, is working as intended. Perhaps you should elaborate somewhat on the "cancer" aspect you are alluding to, because for all intents and purposes it seems to be in a balanced place. We usually rejoice when someone calls a Strat on intel channels - that's how frightening that ship is (some surprising deadspace fits notwithstanding). Cloaky Proteus with longscrams is way more scary imho.

The issue you're describing is more droneboat related than cloak related ..... the ability to fit a full rack of highslots ON TOP of high DPS drones is indeed pretty darn good.

I tend to have the same issues with folks complaining about covert cynos : even without the cloak, the "issue" persists. Replace Stratios with Navy Vexor and covert cyno with regular cyno, and you have exactly the same situation.

With one notable exception: targets dock up.


One might argue you can at least hunt a navy Vexor whereas you can't do nothing about a Stratios, yet in practice the Vexor pilot that wants to run will keep bouncing safes, maybe do a logoffski or leave. I agree the non-cloakies have a higher potential for gudfites, but therein lies the problem: carebears will perpetually deny content and never give you that fight anyway. Even when outnumbering, outshipping and outclassing us. We pay a pretty penny for the ability to turn that safety net aka "Local chat" against them and that is something we definitely want to keep.

Typical carebeary arguments revolve around "what right do you have to infringe on our space" and while such arguments may have merit in the real world, we do not want safety in a game world. We want engagements to happen. If cloaky camping is the only way to get the show on the road, then so be it.

Once the gig is up, however, you are free to retaliate and blast us all into oblivion -- at least now something's happening whereas, if carebears had their way, nobody would ever get a chance to shoot anyone else.

The advantage of the cloak is not really the protection it offers or the (overrated) GTFO potential. The advantage is it gets you fights you wouldn't get otherwise. By no means does this imply a cloaky gank can't be countered!

As long as bad pvpers cry about wanting to keep the ball entirely in their court, ccp will not nerf mechanics tied to them.

That's a fact, you see how defensive people get for the THOUGHT they would not be able to stay safely afk IN SPACE?
It isn't because they care about balance or any crap like that, it's because they don't want to risk losing their advantage. Ever.




"What right do you have to infringe on our space" Is not what people say. They say "I want to shoot you, but you're literally uncatchable forever"

You want engagements to happen? Dont afk for 3 weeks looking for an "Easy pick" go with a fleet into someone's space and fight their defense fleet.

OH wait, you don't want to do that? You'd rather hide. Invincible. For 20 hours a day, just waiting for a mining barge to hot drop and run?

Odd, that doesnt sound like engagement or pvp does it?



Cloaking having a counter would be like everything else in the game. Cloakers would just have to move every occasion. That is balanced whether you like it or not. "Nullbears dock up" Lol get ******, cloakers cloak up until they have an "easy" kill.

you dont have to be invincible cowering in your cloaked safespot desperately waiting for an easy kill

I ment covert ops cloakes, not cynos.

So if you don't like cloaks why nerf cynos? That is like a parent smacking the kid who wasn't misbehaving to punish the one who was misbehaving.

And people have whined and whined and whined about cynos. Cynos get nerfed and you horrible players are back here whining again....just one more nerf!

How about no. Put on you big boy pants and learn how to deal with such a situation.

Okay, to maintain that safety what can I do that is so horrible to you besides scaring you by showing up in local?