Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Of course.

Oh look, another great idea that totals wormholers.

They're players too, you know.

I posted something relatively similar a couple of years back.

Effecting the module may ruin players experience of doing actual covert op missions, where they need to travel for extended periods cloaked to reach their target..or actually conduct monitoring/scouting missions where they need to be cloaked.

How about turning the whole thing into a hunting experience, like destroyer versus submarine, like many of us have seen over the years in the movies.

Maybe use an existing model, like the Command Destroyer which could have the ability, or role bonus, of using a pulse emitting probe, launched via a probe launcher.
The pulse emitting probe, when launched, travels out to a predetermined point before emitting a pulse that has, say a 5AU or 10AU radius. If detected within the range of the probe, the Cloaked ship is then visible on the scanning map for a set period of time (10 to 20 seconds?). This would give the hunter a rough idea where the cloaked ship is located. Conducted together with other players hunting the same target, the hunters could triangulate the cloaked position, pin them down and decloak them. A bit like destroyers using sonar.
If the camper is truly at the keyboard, they can make corrective adjustments and move to a new location. If they are afk, like at work, watching TV or down the pub, or just not paying attention, they are discovered, decloaked and destroyed.

Since this thread is tl:dr someone else may have posted the same.

My idea is cloaking devices consume cap boosters. Different size depending on ship.
Example: each cloaking device can load 4 boosters, each booster gives a cycle of 15 min. That gives a total of 60 min before reload where you are visible.

A cloaking cycle can be canceled before 15 min is up but the cap booster is consumed. That gives 4 cloaks before reload.

The 60 min timer + booster limit is enough to keep afk (going to work) cloakers at bay but staying cloaked is still a viable weapon if you keep an eye on your ship.

No.

Stop nerfing the module for non-AFK cloak users.

Or can I randomly nerf your preferred style of play simply because I don't like it?

I was thinking of something along the same lines, only it would take X minutes to take effect and also removed local for the cloaked ship.

So, for example, after 20 minutes of being cloaked, cloaked pilot removed from local, and local displays empty to the cloaked pilot. Need intel? Quick de-cloak, re-cloak, get another 20 minutes of intel. If you are positioned on grid with your quarry, you will have grid intel at all times.

1. Not really they can sit for days so you stop worrying about them being there to do harm. Then they can stop being AFK and gank, cyno in a fleet, etc. If an AFK cloaker could cause no harm then no one would care about them. You are trying to make a biased argument with semantics and it is just silly. If an AFK cloaker didn't accomplish anything they would not be used, and you wouldn't care if they were gone.

2. See my post right above your reply, Local and Cloaked Ships Posted: 2016.03.01 19:58. I think local chat could have some dynamics to make it better.

The issue is point of view on this topic. Those that mostly PvP don't care as much about a non-friendly in local because that is potential content or the PvPer is roaming and it doesn't matter. Also the PvPer is equipped for a player confrontation. Those that mostly PvE have to guard against attack from players as they are usually not fit to confront them. Thus to a PvP person they LIKE having the ability to use AFK cloakers to desensitize prey. And they are little threat to someone moving around. While PvE players need to be concerned about an unfriendly in system as a potential threat itself.

I don't see why people are so surprised by hunter-prey behavior. If a herd of gazelle catch wind of single lion they high tail it out of there. They don't care that they outnumber the lion 30 to 1. They are not the type of animal that want to tangle with a lion ever. Also they don't know if another 10 lions are just around that hill waiting.

Farmers, those engaged in PvE activity, are often not organized nor skilled in PvP so advantage in ship numbers means little to them. Also the reality is that 1 enemy can cyno in an entire fleet and often does. That is the reason farmers fear the single hunter. Even without cynos a fleet could be on the other side of a gate waiting to hear that a couple ships have been tackled. By the time the disorganized farmers can react to help the tackled ships they often find themselves at the warp in point of a gang or roaming fleet. And when you provide a hunter with a meal, he will often come back again and again. Thus the prey in Eve tend to high tail it when they catch wind of the first hunting ship.

If you are so sick of hunting herd animals that run away then go big game hunting. Look for other lions, or hit gate camps where people are looking for a fight. I am always amazed at the number of hunters that post with a view that PvE farmers should be willing victims entering a fight at a disadvantage and creating content for hunters. These aren't state game lands that stock the animal population for hunters. The prey is always at a disadvantage because they don't know what they are up against.

Now then back to the topic at hand AFK Cloaking. Hopefully Observation Arrays will solve this problem for the Sov holders of large farming systems. Allowing the Sov owners the tactical choices of finding cloaked ships in their valued and heavily used systems. For all the other systems where people come and go, AFK cloaking will likely be unchanged as Alliance won't go to the expense of deploying OAs outside of key systems.

The issue of AFK cloakers is the duration they are able to exert an influence with out interacting with the game. A ship cloaks in a system he wants to hunt in later. Then the player goes out to dinner, a movie, swings by the batting cages, goes to bed. Get's up in the morning, logs back in after down time, cloaks up, makes breakfast, reads the morning news, etc... Then however many days have passed, while sitting in a system essentially invulnerable to molestation, pings around to the best anomalies and tackles and kills a nice shiny ship.

I have no issue with a cloaked ship sitting in a system while a person on the other end waits and watches. A dedicated person will sit there for hours semi afk. But if he can leave the computer for 23.5 hours a day and still reap the impact of his presence in system with no effort that is where I think there is a problem.

An active means to hunt cloaked ships would be good content too. But to keep it balanced with the current active uses of cloaking, I would limit the cloak detection system in such a way that an active pilot would be able to react to it.

1. If AFK ships have no benefit then we don't need to worry if they are removed. If they give an enemy an advantage in any way, even psychological, then it does have a negative effect on the other party. Thus, it literally does do something to others.
If you still disagree with me that is okay, we can have different points of view. I'll not argue this point any more.

2. I did read the thread on structures, and I mentioned them here One post above yours because the designs were not locked in. I do hope they do give OAs the ability to affect cloaked ships in system. And I hoped mentioning why I feel that way in this thread would keep those mechanics in play.

o7 Good hunting to you.

Lets look at this we have a topic, that by most of the eve community supports a change. What type of change cannot be agreed on but a change is needed. CCP themselves have said, this topic is in the running over years of gameplay. CCP also says it likes to listen to its players to make changes. Yet hear we have players asking for change, what kind of change no one knows, but non the least change. CCP's response, NOTHING, absolutely nothing. The only true conclusion we can gather is that CCP has lied, and doesn't listen to its players. Maybe that's why it is so hard to keep people sticking around playing eve, the mechanics need updated.

Oh, and yes I know as you read this you may not agree, but hey that just means your illusion is being broken.