Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While you think you are being logical, you are not. Of course pvp isnt going to be the major activity in eve. A game in which you have real losses when you pvp requires an income stream. Most people use PVE methods to gain income to fund pvp.
You assume that because you want changes made to a cloak they should be.DESPITE the fact you are in the minority of the player base that thinks they need to be changed. This is a major factor in if CCP will change something or not. And you will never gain enough support from the player base to get this changed. It would be an extremely unpopular move.

Covert cloaks are working as intended. They are working how CCP wanted them to work and how the majority of the player base wants them to work. The ability to be able to cloak for an indefinite length of time is an invaluable tool to not just people who pvp but anyone who lives in null. Covert cloaks are necessary for many activities in which you need to focus on other things on your screen while sitting in space in a dangerous system. Nerfing the cloak in some degree so that it was no longer as effective as it now would throw all the covert ship balances out of whack.

What it sounds like to me is you want to suck up the high rewards of null with very little of the risks. When someone threatens your little carebear land and you cant make them go away, you instead come to the forums and complain using nonsense as a claim of why it should be changed. You are not going to always be safe in null, get over it or go back to empire are run L4s.


I bolded and underlined the important part for you.

Edit to add: and lets not forget about the fact that you are completely free to move systems and continue to do whatever in another system. However you want the game to accommodate the fact you dont want to move systems to do your pve activities and thats just not how we roll. We are not here to cater to you, If a cloaked ship is such a big issue to you move systems, their are thousands that do not have any cloaked campers.

there are too little kills on carebears and too much safety to carebears anyways, so cloak is fine.

I have literally never met anyone in game that has ever complained about cloaky camping...ever. Oh wait this one time, a nooblet complained because he couldnt rat in system because of a cloaky camper( who actually was probably a ratting bot). the response: " we own 4 regions, dumbass, rat somewhere else."

if you had players make a list of top 20 changes they would like to see to eve in the future this would make very very few list. In fact the only people that will likely have this on their list are newbs and players who dont utilize cloaked ships( noobs)

Just gonna put this out there, because I've seen a few people claim that (mainly on the topic of blops drops) that cloaking is too 'safe'. Let me explain some very simple things to you.

Risk No.1 - I exist

First off lets start with blops. You might not think it, but its dangerous actually buying them and equipping them in highsec, they are known to be well equipped with expensive modules, and groups have been known to actively suicide gank them for it (they average 60k Ehp). Thats like your brand new ratting rattlesnake exploding as soon as you undock it from your 'home' system after buying it.


Risk No.2 - Not another jump

To actually get to your systems where you rat, (multiple jumps out towards the edge of the galaxy, often spanning more than 24 jumps) we have to send an alt through a potentially huge amount of systems, risking gate camps, bubbles, smartbmombs, or even worse Being scanned down the moment you cyno your blops through and caught before you even make it to your destination, forcing you to go and buy another 300mil recon, 60mil bomber or 800m T3.

Risk No.3 - Out of ******* Fuel

Thats right. We have limited fuel, and it can be at times very difficult to calculate exactly how much we need. This has NOT been made any easier by recent changes to the next point.

Risk No.4 - My hole

We can use wormholes to access new regions of space...oh wait no not really anymore. Since we had nullsec connections heavily nerfed (1/14 holes has a null connection in my experience), which is easily more than 2 hours of scanning (which leads to my final point), whilst taking the enourmous risk of being destroyed on entrance to a hole.....Thats not fun by the way.

Risk No.5 - Oh no you didnt

you can counter drop? Bait? Maybe even fight back? Dropping someone is NOT a guarenteed kill theres any number of things that can go wrong. I've had a Wyvern and a Chimera dropped on me before (thanks CFC), A tengu fleet bridged on to me and bombers decloak and try to drop other blops from third parties(RED alliance / Bombers Bar). The only thing that kept me safe was my experience and knowing where to align out to.

In one of my latest endeavours, i even had a hero naga provide a VERY big surprise and force me to use all of my cap charges in order to escape, and avoid his incoming friends. ( that's the end of that hunt just because one guy forced me to use up almost all my charges )


So to summarise, a whole load of you are moaning about how 'safe' it is to afk cloak? Its a welcome reprieve to the amount of effort that goes into planning, isk investment, risk taking and waiting for you to make a mistake before slaughtering your ridiculously expensive rattlesnakes, ishtars and dominix's. "Don't fly why you can't afford to lose'

If your still convinced that I'm wrong, re-read the above statement and ask yourself:

How many risks do you take going out and ratting, and how many would there be if we could not hunt properly?
The answer, without any real argument to counter (in case your wondering) Is ZERO.

Heres a quick list of things i need to kill you (+time scale):

1 drop boat (capable of covert cyno) - 200m-1.2b
1 blackops battleship - Easily 1.4bil
4 hours for moving and waiting on timers
2b spare incase my alt gets popped en-route (along with an additional 4 hours)
Backup fittings to try and escape (if nessecary)
Range of ammo (to match ship types)
Drones
A wormhole (or several maybe)
and my personal favourite:

Five days of free time, spent trying to catch some whining ratter who only has to be aligned and press warp to negate ALL of that preparation......Oh and then send abuse to me in local chat about:
-My heritage
-Mental status
-Sexual orientation
-Sexual status
-My relationship with my mother
-My inability to take you seriously

I hope clarify's just how dumb it sounds to us (blops pilots), when you call us 'too safe'.

From our eyes, YOU'RE the ones that are too safe. Thats why we destroy your ships :)

Personally what I would like to see is a system that resembles something akin to this:

Cloaks now require some type of fuel. The fuel is fairly small, cheap, and long lasting. For example, a cloaky ship could fit 6 hours worth of fuel into their ship with room to spare for ammo.

They maintain their ability to instantly deactivate.

Cloaks now remove you from local after 5 minutes of sustained activation.

These two changes I feel would put cloaks into a really good place. It would maintain the need for people to be observant of local, since regardless of whether or not someone has a cloak, they will appear in local for at least five minutes. However, it does open some interesting implications for cloaks to be more, well, cloaky, and will allow for the setting up of ambushes. Intel would also play a very large role in how cloaks would be utilized out and null and the like. If you could learn when people long on for example, you could already have your guys in the system, cloaked and off local.

The reason I think this would be a good addition is while I'm fine with cloaky camping as a concept, I personally am not a fan of any behavior that largely consists of afking, be it mining, cloaky camping, whatever. This way if someone is stupid enough to forget that they are logged onto eve cloaked in a safe, they will eventually be punished for it.

To counter this they could release a new module that directly mines the fuel from some type of rock. Have a short cycle time, so literally you are only decloaked for like 30-40 seconds, an in return you get say 2 hours worth of fuel.

After all, aren't good scouts usually trained in foraging for resources to sustain operations?

Look at it this way. Name one other activity in eve that lets you get up, walk away from your keyboard for the next 23 hours, and return with 100% surety that your ship is still there. Don't worry, I'll wait.

That's my only complaint about cloaks. In a game designed around the premise that nothing is "safe," cloaks and cloaks alone break that mold.

Sitting in a POS.

And you are 100% safe from them.

Ninja Miners. Match, Game, point.

In fairness to the poster, it's probably not actually a net nerf outside of WH because of the addition of the dropping from local part. However the anomaly squatters would never stand for it.

It does though, as you state, break WH.

If you just dropped out of local for after 5 minutes being cloaked, that would also fix the afk camping "problem".