Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wander
You may want to try a post without being abusive. I play that game far better than you, but the moderators have instructed us to desist, so I have.

Actual game play reasons have been provided earlier in this thread. I understand that I have an excellent memory that gives me some advantage in longer discussions. But you can simply review the thread to refresh points you have forgotten.

Yes, there is, I have given proofs for multiple and single account holders with alts.

I have also shown why there is an opportunity cost even if it is a "useless" alt--i.e. one the player does not have time to use. Let me give again since you are having problems following the logic,

Lets assume Bob can play for 3 hours/day and 2 accounts. He has 3 characters and he plays on all 3 and what he is doing in game requires at least 1 hour of play on each character. So Bob plays on each of his 3 characters for an hour then logs. Using my usual notation,

Acct 1:
Main,
Alt 1

Acct 2:
Alt 2
Cloaking pilot.

Now some other players who have some NS space have annoyed Bob so he decides to make a cloaky camper.

Here are the costs:

First, Bob is going to have to stop one of characters that is training to train the cloaking guy. This means that Alt 2 has to stop training and his skills level will be forever below what it otherwise would have been. That reduction in skills means that Alt 2 will be less effective at earning ISK than he otherwise would be. That is Alt 2 basically represents a stream of ISK for Bob. And the size of that stream is in part dependent on the skills/SP Alt 2 has. Since the skills and SP that Alt 2 are now forever reduced relative to not having trained the cloaking camper Alt 2's ISK stream is reduced. The effect can be seen here in regards to SP. The red line is how many SP Alt 2 acquires over time. The blue vertical lines represents the time spent training the cloaking alt, since Alt 2 cannot train at this time, Alt 2's SP shifts over the green line which is everywhere below the red line. That difference in SP and the difference in ISK that such a difference in SP engenders is an opportunity cost.

Or we can think of it this way, the only way to get the green line to be above the red line is to change the slope...and that is only possible via implants....which cost ISK.

Second, due to Bob's time constraint moving the cloaking pilot into position will mean that Bob cannot play on one of his other accounts that evening.

So there are two types of opportunity cost even in this ****-eyed view of yours.

You are quite simply wrong.

Teckos
I think we simply have to agree that you do not really understand that real life time is the only limiting factor for skilled and experienced players.

Hey lugz :). Truth be told, I am not very good looking (though I do have a dashing scar running from temple to jawline. Compliments of a snapped trawl wire from my fishing days...those things whip around something terrible:)).

Lugz
afk cloaky camping is a problem because it targets newer players (the idiots who actually depend on ratting and mining to fund peak time pew-pew fun); done free of cost by established, optimizing pilots

Actual carebears like me want cloaks protected so pesky pilots don't interfere with our rolling in PI and moon goo bling.

This is in other words one of my anti elitist prick (as in needle point collateral damage) rampages. You have heard them before in game.

Privileges to which they have become accustomed. Screw (as in rotate to tighten or loosen things. for example a lid or a bolt) that :D.

Thats the thing though jergs, null is supposed to be more elitist, more sp required but also its designed so that the players there need and should be able to protect themselves; its not a farm, its a serious investment of time and isk in many ways, its also the reason why pvpers leave sov holding entities, ie too much pressure placed on them to protect the guys that wont.

Nullsec is supposed to be dangerous space, its not supposed to be 'safe'; you want sov, you best damn well protect it.

Did I hear there are now blueprints on SISI for devices to track down cloaked players in space?

...and all it took was a week or two of SMA Gorilla's whining they were being blopsed back into the Mist.

A solution that was viable for quite some time while afk cloaky camping was more of a marginal thing. Its not so marginal now as hardware requirements are met by an ever growing mass of players (being able to nominally multi-box). Hence the need to end it.

I am not adverse to simply adapting various wormhole mechanisms to null-sec and in that way again marginalize afk cloaky camping.

But feel it is better to simply address the issue head-on.

Its an issue. Specifically the AFK bit. Or to put it another way. The cloaky camping risk should be explicit. Someone doing it should be actively looking to blop someone (or otherwise engage). Or otherwise get hunted down for stupidly being afk while in space in null-sec.

Hell, I would not mind going afk cloaky campy extreme either: Introduce a cloaky camping drone that is active as long as the controlling pilot is in the same region. Let everyone afk cloaky camp without opportunity cost.

Edit
Technically two kinds of cloaky camping drones. A scram drone and a cyno dropping drone.