Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you give the ability to scan down cloaks, then you might as well rework intel mechanics as a whole which includes local (yes local is an intel mechanic) because if you give the ability to scan down cloaks, with local as is, here how it works. "Oh there a guy in local, can't spot him on D-scanners, might as well whip out my cloak hunting ship."

And that how it will work out, every single time. Don't you see how unbalanced that is? It already hard enough to catch people because of local. Now you make the defender have even more power! Oh great, now we will never have a way to push back sov territory so we can take some of our own.

That is exactly how it should work. You see a hostile in system, you whip out your hunting ship and defend your space.

You don't have some kind of special entitlement to catch soft targets. You can hunt them, sure... but if they are flying smart it should be very difficult to catch them. Your effort and time investment in hunting is no where near the effort and time invested in flying safe for hours. You just have to get lucky once, they have to stay perfect at all times. If you are hunting them, they should be able to hunt you.

As it is, for as long as you can stay in system you have disrupted PvE. Why should you have the power to do that endlessly while AFK? That should be an active tactic, not a default condition for equipping a cloak and taking a nap.

Of course! That's understood - I thought I had mentioned that. My bad.

"People who agree with me are right even when all we've really determined is that they are just as incompetent as I am!"

The part where that particular rocket surgeon took a per-character value - that is, already normalized to a single character - and then divided it by 3 to get the value for a single character was quite fascinating.

Small wonder you zeroed in on the idiot-**** who screwed up his numbers by a factor of 3 as the "first poster who had a clue".




A medium citadel uses substantially less than a single battleship's worth of minerals. The PI folks will be making bank (already are, in fact). Miners... well, even Eve needs ditch diggers.

There's already a massive speculative buildout of the components underway, now, while they require relatively more mineral:PI wise. Once Citadel actually drops, the material value of most of the components is shifting heavily toward PI goods. It's going to be a ******* sinkhole of a market for months, though, while the pre-built glut of materials is consumed.

I think we've all figured out that you don't really play the game very much but, Jesus, do you even READ about the game?

Yes. Not affecting you in any way. They're not tackling you, shooting you, or otherwise doing anything but upsetting your feefees.

My god...the stupid dishonesty. But we knew that already. Your arguments are stupid, dishonest or both:

"Yes. Not affecting you in any way. They're not tackling you, shooting you, or otherwise doing anything but upsetting your feefees"

Oh giggle.

If you want to look at citadelles as a mineral sink, then why not look at the large and extra large (10x and 100x the minerals of a medium)?

Nullsec miners generally also do PI btw. You've been to nullsec, right?

Anyway, the player controlled fix to afk cloaks is to burn all non-allied null sec bases to the ground that can be burned to the ground. It also deals with the yolo yokels, so all is good (though a bit out of step with the ideas behind sov).

Denying space is a two way street.

I'll talk slower for you. You consent to PvP if you can get caught. Someone flying the right ship can break pretty much any gate camp, jump through any WH, travel anywhere and not get caught. Why is cloaking super special and the countless other ways to stay safer aren't?



So...you're ignoring the fact you thought someone would magically know you have a point fit to a ratting ship? Interesting strategy.

Are you really calling baiting 'not a counter'? How can you say that with a straight face?



If he isn't attacking you, keep PvE-ing. He isn't hurting you in any way. You should ALWAYS have a counter to a potential attacker if you are out of HS. That's my d*mn point. You want 100% safety in dangerous, unprotected space. If you were in my corp and were ratting/mining in null without being in comms/in fleet, I would shoot you myself to teach you a lesson.



Confirming you have never hotdropped anyone, never hunted solo deep in null or wormholes. This is one of the dumber statements I have read. I actually spend time in null/LS. You don't. If you don't like feeling threatened, stay in HS and stop posting in this thread.

When I see a single kill or loss in null on your killboard, I will start to take you seriously.



"going out of my way to look for compromises" (unless I have to have a standing defense fleet, have to fit anything not min/maxed for PvE isk-making, have to give up part of the safety of local).

What compromises are you suggesting? Every one I have given you, you've shut down completely.

I joined this thread talking to you extremely politely. I suggested compromises, I offered suggestions on how to use existing game mechanics. Your "it's my way or the highway" stance on the subject is what is causing belligerence here.

Monkey
How do I know there are force projection limitations in Eve? Oh giggle.

Right now, the best method for clearing out yolo yokels and afk campers is to capture outposts, then hand the outposts off to corps in an alliance who want or need a bit of sov space. Essentially extending a buffer zone around any defined core. The poses are cleared up afterwards to meet industrial needs mainly. Usually after they have run out of fuel and off-lined.

Now of course, this does nothing to the cloaky camper already in your system. But he is not the problem. The problem always was the ships that could potentially follow him. The further away from a staging base the afk camper is, the more irrelevant he becomes (or more correctly, he moves somewhere else to gain greater relevance).

Citadelles allow for fighting fire with fire. Space denial being a two way street. Here you can simply burn staging bases to the ground in what would amount to rather short campaigns (we dont know exactly how short yet). So you create a zone where your alliance holds sov, and a belt of scorched space around that zone where you destroy budding citadelles in nice roams (it will be roams because corps tend to set timers on all things to the same peak time. So you can hit as many citadelles as they hold - spending 30 minutes on each a total of 3 times with two invulnerability periods).

I've known this for a while of course. Hence my training up attack battlecruiser relevant skills. No reason to use more than required dps after all, is there?

Oh the tears that will flow, and the whining that will ensue...because suddenly denial of space will become "broken"

Any more empty (space)suit comments you would like to share with us?

Geeze, you may be right when you suggest some EvE players might be broken. But cut down on the PvE player projection buddy and look inwards to find...well...what substance do your arguments and thoughts have?

I'm totally speculating here, but I'm guessing the "find you cloaked" part will only be if you sit "still" for a period of time or maybe are in system for a period of time. Not sure if you'd show up on scan while you were in warp, for example though.