Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, it's not. For once in your blighted post history, be honest.




So it's a defense. Stop trying to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Not only is it a defense, it's simultaneously the most powerful source of intel and safety this game has to offer besides outright being docked.




That is what cloaks are literally designed for. Stop asking that they be made useless for their intended purpose.

I already know a lie when I see it.

When you say "I don't want to cripple cloaks", you are lying, because your suggestions would cripple cloaks.

When you say "I don't oppose ganking", you are lying, because your suggestions would drastically reduce ganking.

You. Are. A. Liar.

You can try and bluster around it all you want, but it's clear to anyone who takes the time to read the tripe you post on this forum.




People? Certainly.

Players? Nope. Other players are made of pixels, and their value lies entirely in what they do or do not do.




One of the greatest lies ever told on this forum. You're giving Infinity Ziona a run for his money at this point.



"more effort for thee but not for me."

~Carebears.

Of course you, lacking in any understanding of how this game is supposed to be, always suggest totally one sided nerfs to anything that enables non consensual PvP. You did it before, you're doing it now, and when you pick a new carebear crusade you will do it again.

Whatever you claim(because you're a liar), you are against non consensual PvP at the conceptual level. And that is easily seen in your post history. To claim otherwise is ludicrous.

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No, it's addressed to someone who thinks they are entitled to not have any uncertainty in sovereign nullsec.

And, as far as "effort" goes, the equation is not in your favor.

One the one side, we have the cloaked player.

On the other side, we have the person who wants to rat afk. But this side is also demanding to generate resources with no risk and no uncertainty. Unfortunately for them, since risk vs reward is a thing, their demands are inherently wrong.

if "risk vs reward" is at thing, then does it not stand to reason the cloaker, unable to earn reward, shouldn't be at risk either? Any kind of movement or offensive action could be considered 'reward' as far as the vessel goes -- but then, it's at risk too.

Cloaked Nullified T3s an exception to the rule, as it's pretty hard to catch those; but with a bit of luck it can still be done...

As for cloaked ventures fighting sov wars ... what I asked for was't really that hard. The response "assume I gave you an example" kind of tells me you have none.

And Mike ... I think you're just too damn afraid man. You attribute a whole series of nearly godlike powers to these vessels. I once felt the same about Worms (when doing novice FW plexes), linked Orthrusses, kiting Navy Omens, Gila pwnboats, cloaky roflstomp Stratiosses and such... To a relatively new player -which I am, with only 20 months under the belt- these ships felt like "WTF iS tHiS!?"

Fascinated by their prowess I bought some of them (when ISK and skills allowed) and tried them out for myself. And guess what? Suddenly, they weren't as OP as I thought they were. I ain't going to lie, they felt good. Real good. But being at the helm of such a considerable investment also made me think twice about tackling just anything I came across. Some of them I lost, some serve me very well still. Some spend 90% of the time sitting in the drydock, as I'm more comfortable flying a regular Stabber over a Vaga with comparable effectiveness, or prefer a non-blinged Rapier over a Loki for the purpose.

The point however I was going to make : try being the hunter for once. It is not as easy as it looks. You'll soon discover you're not nearly as invulnerable as you thought you were. My Leroy Legion (the Angry Turtle mark I) for example was doing fine until my 'unsuspecting' prey lit a cyno. woop woop woop 530 mil down the drain. Invulnerable? My ass.

To overcome fear of the cloaker, try being the cloaker for once. Walk a mile in his shoes, then tell me how much ISK you made during that time, just how invulnerable you were, and how many alliances you brought down. You are more than welcome to fly it to D87-A and attempt to cloaky camp us. It will be an interesting learning experience. Just bring a travelceptor -- we've got cloakies for sale in station (otherwise, you may already lose it on the in-gate).

If you'd actually used them, you would know a lot of these "godlike" powers simply aren't there. You'll suffer targeting delays. Your targets may still warp off. You'll get caught in bubbles surrounded by containers, decloaked by a Daredevil (my pleasure ), counterblopsed or by lack of any of those, shot by the very target you were trying to hunt. And then, you'd know what it is really like.

You call that a "SLIGHT MODIFICATION" ?!?!?!!

It is by far the most intrusive idea anyone has come up with so far?! What part of 'operating for prolonged periods of time behind enemy lines' also knows as 'recons / black ops' am I missing here?

Where is this mythological 100% safety while rafting I keep hearing about?

Somehow someone is atk rafting for big ISK while completely safe!

Why do they run when hunters enter the system?

I fail to see how it breaks wormholes, or provides 100% safety to anom squaters. And indeed. By creating small windows in an afk cloaking regime where player interaction (PvP) can occur is meant to have afk cloakers (with an implicit cyno) either man up or get back to the shallow end of the pool.

But how? If you are atk and a hunter shows up what keeps you from exploding?

Unless you mean you are not afk, which is not the same claim at all, is it? Running before you get shot is the opposite of being safe. It is an acknowledgement of your risk.

Go find me ANY of the things you want to make people "get near" in a shattered wormhole.

Ah, right. We can add wormholes. Thank you.

IF a cloaked vessel is not within 2000 m of a POS, Station, Citadelle, Gate or Wormhole after a cloak has operated for a total of 120 minutes, THEN the cloak will cease to function until that operation is done and the cloak is recharged.