Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is very simple. You have two players. Player A is using a cloak to scout, gather intel, etc. He is an active cloak user.

Player B logs in at a safe spot, cloaks up goes AFK.

You deem B a "problem"....why screw over A, even slightly to get at B?

That is inherently bad game design. Especially when the "problem" is not really an actual problem.

Design flaw...why? Because it makes you less safe? Well boo-hoo.

Further, if a cyno is being activated and people are jumping through....nobody is AFK.

Nope, and I've fought in quite a few sov wars. Never used AFK cloaking.



Have you fought in many sov conflicts?



No, not really. Even today, people just bring a fleet, park a guy with the magic wand in range of the target, and everyone just waits...hoping for a fight.

I know, I've been on a couple of deployments where we attacked sov. No real cloaking camping.

So, to completely defeat the intent of the cloaking device to begin with, then.

Because cloaks are intended to let you operate behind enemy lines or in hostile territory for a long time, until an opportune strike is possible.






Of course you don't.

Of course you are good with it. It gives you everything you want at a cost so negligible you are happy to pay it. Screw the other guy, he is not your playstyle and counts as sub-human destructible terrain.

Any effort to change it, no matter how light the impact on other uses of the cloak, is somehow unreasonable despite the massive impact it has on the people complaining about it. Care to guess how many that is? Most of those players come here, post once or twice, get put through the wringer by the troll patrol and give up. Yet somehow this comes up all the time. Same group of maybe a dozen shouting it down over and over, and every few weeks a new person posting the same problem. For years.

And of course you don't like it, it has a slight negative effect on your desire to rat while completely afk in nullsec space.




Nothing that you or that NPC alt sock puppet have suggested can be categorized as "light". You both have suggested basically gutting cloaking devices completely to assuage your rabid risk aversion.

But you always betray the only real problem here.

You're scared because local lets you know there is a red around. Simple solution, remove local. And the funny is, that's probably what's going to happen anyway. You might get a deployable to put it back with a sixty second delay or something, but your perfect intel tool is going to die in the near future, probably after they finally get around to deleting off grid boosts.

Not a sock puppet I fear.

Karous, it probably would be more constructive if you considered things more for their merits instead of focusing on whatever you imagine might be posters' internal motivations. Motivational analysis are seldom relevant and always destructive.

Except of course it is not a lie. null sec AFK cloaking is a sov war techique used specifically to increase Eve player attrition (get people to not play Eve).

You could argue that its not widespread enough to cause concern or justify changes to specific mechanism used (cloak + cyno potential), or you could suggest that dev's collect data to see how null-sec afk cloaky camping impacts on activity.

What you cannot do is dismiss it as a lie. Not without lying at least.

You cannot converse with Karrous.

All he will do is call anything he does not like a lie, spew a lot of trollish hatred at anyone not willing to kick puppies and eat babies for fun, and derail any discussion of a topic he disagrees with.

He has already said on multiple occasions that there is no way anyone whom he deems a caeebear is capable of being honest. We are also destructible terrain, and have no right to even play the game. We also do not have the right to hold or share "improper" opinions.

He is the sole arbiter of what and who belongs in game.

Other than it is the voice of experience saying you are full of Bravo Sierra. I have fought in the Max campaign, BoB's push into the South East (no idea what it was named, most of my time was spent in Wicked Creek and the surrounding regions) the last ditch effort of BoB to recapture their former empire after Goons disbanded the alliance, the war in Syndicate, Arridia, and Fountain against PL and Son's of Tangra, then the invasion of Delve, IT's invasion of Cloud Ring, IT's invasion of the North, IT's invasion of Catch and supporting the Initiative's war against AAA, and also the defense of Fountain. Then after EXE joined up with the Imperium/CFC we were present for the TEST deployment to Vale of the Silent, then the CFC deployment to Branch which wiped out White Noise and started the downfall of the Drone Region Federation, then we deployed south to take Delve, Querious and Period Basis along with TEST. Then I was somewhat involved in the Imperium/CFC war with TEST and the Honey Badger Coalition.

Exactly what Sov wars have you fought in?

And in exactly none of those sov wars was AFK cloaking at thing that I know of. Maybe it was and nobody told me about it, but I highly doubt.

My money is on you are jut making **** up.