Player Features and Ideas Discussion

(Thus limiting the length of time a ship can be cloaked, forcing the camper to make choices about each.)



Except by limiting how long they may remain cloaked there. IT doesn't eliminate the cloaky aspect of Pvp, it just places a limit on how long a ship may do so.

It diminishes the cloaky aspect harshly.

In many cases, a cloak is the only means of reliable concealment where stations and POS are not options.

Added to which, you left my nigh insurmountable PvE defenses completely intact.

If you want to change how PvE like myself is limited by cloaked ships, we need skin in the game too. Right now we avoid the game, with risk only appearing in cases of player error.
You left me with my perfect defense, while I could already have bubble ganked the cloaker while he came into the system.

Because attacking your opponent instead of his argument is always a good sign of a strong position.

Double standards are always fun for the people it benefits, I am not surprised you cling to yours so fanatically.

Careful of those IQ drops, you didn't have that much to spare in the first place.

It is also a nerf to cloaking ships where the player is ACTIVE.

When you nerf active players to get at the in-acitve ones you have a horrible idea.

I'm OK with a nerf to cloaks, but only if it goes hand in hand with a nerf to PvE-ers 100% effective line of defense (local).

Until Mike agrees to nerf his playstyle along with nerfing mine, we will never see eye to eye.

It also bothers me that he refuses to use existing game mechanics to combat someone in a cloaked ship, and then cries for a nerf.

Time to be annoying in a GOON renters space and cloak up cause i got my ceptor or what there and head off to work.

What I gather is folks are tired of the AFK cloakers. Why punish just them? Why not affect all those who have been AGl for like 20 minutes.

Imagine what would happen if this is ever implemented.
1> AFK in NullSec leaves system cause user is not there to do things.
2> AFK OGB will no longer be around ALL day LONG!!! ALL DAY!!!
3> Incursion runners will also have to poke their OGBs every now an then...Imagine the tears when an HQ fleet dies due to owner of the OGB has not been poked in that 20 minute time frame.

This is something that would solve many iissues that I have seen over the years of playing and actually force people to "PLAY" the game and not be AFK all the time. I remember the time when there was the AFKers in mission sites that ran all day long with drones out and super passive tank that cannot be killed. This still happens but not to the extent that it once did.

Now if CCP did an inactivity timer of 20 to 30 minutes would make me giggle. just because the amount of chaos it wouldbring.

go with it have fun.

I seem to be picking up on an apparent perception that AFK Camping is something most, if not all, cloaked ships do.

AFK camping is predominantly done by players sitting in either an Outpost or in a POS. The POS sitting ones often notorious for OGB.
It seems taken for granted that this is expected, and that they are not playing the game while docked / shielded.
(Despite clear evidence that they are gaining ISK or affecting play directly, from their own actions*)
(*Market trading is free of space combat risk, and a popular way to make ISK, while OGB behind POS shields most definitely affects play directly, while neither are vulnerable to anything less than capable of threatening their host structure itself)

Cloaks predominantly are used in two ways, in non-wormhole space.
1. Travel through high risk bottlenecks, where brute force is not an option.

2. Passive use, where the player is either absent due to necessity, or present and monitoring like an observation post.
Neither of these can replace the cloak with alternatives, and both are keystone aspects of the game we need.

In wormhole space, the cloak defines the barrier between travel and concealment, and ISK making / collecting.
Don't upset them.... many are referred to as reavers and have dangerous appetites. They can make house calls to your system. Just don't make them want to do that....

The cloak tends to be a highly valued tool in many play styles NOT centered around blobbing / roaming, or simply using direct frontal assault as a defining strategy.

We need this tool to remain intact, and for that, it needs to avoid having time limits defined by fuel availability / access.

Incorrect.



You cannot be cloaked in station. Cloaking in a POS is pointless.



My proposed change does not affect any of these things in the slightest. It would not remove cloaking from the game, nor would it affect its use by players present and playing the game.

The problem that exists is that player who logs into the game, warps to a place in a system, cloaks up, and goes to work for the day. The INactive player. For those who would otherwise participate in that system, it creates an unknown risk: Is the cloaky camper there or not? And the risk remains for the 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ hours that the cloaky camper is actually AFK. Mining in these conditions is hazardous, as is running missions and such, as the AFK cloaky may return without any warning, and become active.

A clone with an AFK player cannot even be baited into showing themselves.

The fact is that there is no way to counter someone who cloaks up and goes away for the day.

Which is why some mechanic is needed for those who abuse the cloaking tool in a way that involves themselves when they are away.

My solution is simple: Limit the amount of time one may be cloaked by requiring the cloak to use fuel. When the fuel runs out, the cloak runs out. The length of a time a camper may be cloaked based upon the amount of fuel and the size of the ship can be debated and balanced, so that active players using a cloak are not affected, and those who abuse cloaking by cloaking up and going away for hours are.

So now in addition to having to bring fuel into my WH for pos's, I have to bring cloak fuel in for a few dozen ships on a regular basis? Ain't no one got time for that.

You have never been on a long deployment then apparently. I've had a cloaky in space for days on end. When I would get done doing what needed to be done, I'd log in space.