Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Of course you are. You're making the wild assumption that I could only possibly be in support of changes for my own personal gain. If I rat or mine in nullsec I'm in a large fleet doing it entirely for indices. AFK cloaking has zero impact on anything I do, especially since my main source of income is highsec trading, and I already have more than enough to be able to stop trading at any time and continue to play from my balance.

It's not risk aversion, it's common sense. What you're basically saying here is "people should just sit in space and hope they don't die rather than responding to threats". It's doubly silly since the "hunters" here are complaining that their cloaked (evasion fit) ships aren't capable of hunting players without baiting them first with hundreds of hours of AFK play, even though it's evident that if you fit a ship designed for intercepting players (interceptors for example) you can catch many players.

Yes, rookies get their income from ratting, and if you can only get 15 you're doing it wrong. Why that's relevant though I don't know, since the fact remains that you assumed that I was only in support of this because it would benefit me. Since you're wrong, your entire point about how silly I am for being in a big alliance is moot.

But since people are doing PvE for a reason, suddenly not doing that generally isn;t a good thing. Baiting someone for a kill is great if you can be sure they won't respond with a black ops force, and if you ignore the fact that it means they will mark your area down as "will engage" and therefore more frequently roam in your area when looking for things to kill. The best response is to actively deny them content.

Not really, I'm 100% safe in the vast majority of situations if I take precautions and pay full attention, even without local. That so many people die in null while actively playing shows that to achieve "100% safety" is in fact quite a feat. If the hunter is shipped correctly and playing well, it requires complete and unbroken attention to the game, even a few seconds where you look away can end you.

Edit: Out of curiosity, why would you want to prevent that? Surely someone being AFK is a free kill, so if you don't condition them into playing actively with an AFK cloaker, you make them a target. Also, cloaks are designed for evasion and while active in a safe you are 100% safe even if you aren't paying attention. Why is it OK for them to be 100% safe while asleep, yet if a ratter is at his desk, aligned and staring at his intel ready to warp away at a moments notice, that's not OK?

Wrong. You've just made yet another assumption that when I stated that I don't rat and make most of my income in highsec I was somehow suggesting everyone does.

Victim blaming, heh, that's hilarious in this game. Grow up Lucas.

As for content denial, nobody said you had the right to the type of content you want in this game. That is how this game works. People always show up who want to ruin your day, your game, etc. You sound like those whine bears crying about CODE.

I want to remove AFK cloaking without boosting the game play for AFK ratters, hence why I think removing local as the default and letting players claw it back via the observatory array is the right way to go.

NS ratting is the largest source of new ISK in the game Lucas. 1 trillion ISK/day. That you think of it as peasant income is completely irrelevant.

The problem is Lucas, that the response is always the same, dock up, safe up, etc.

That is what Nikk has been banging on for at least 50 pages. Change PvE so that the PvE guy can not dock up if he thinks he can take the hostile coming into system.

I have been pointing this out too. The response is always the same and the current mechanics give an advantage to the person already in system leading to no player interaction. This is why I want to change things so intel will be vulnerable.

With these types of changes you can get more player interaction. With Nikk's approach and several people ratting in a single system the hostile better have friends...and enough to take the ratters and probably fairly quickly as help might start streaming in form adjacent systems and/or logging in. With mine if you just dock up and decide to wait out your hostile you might find you don't have your intel anymore. Now, you can dock up, but better be ready to undock and defend your intel infrastructure.

There's a difference between actively playing to deny content and doing it while AFK. CODE have to actually be there to blow people up you know.

So you don't want to boost gameplay for ratters, even though it would be a minimal if any change for them, yet you're fine with making it significantly harder, taking more preparation, more initial funding and setup and making it easier for attackers to take out ratters.

1t/day is total bounties, not nullsec only. And yes, it's peasant income. Anyone who's been around for a while knows that there are better ways of making more isk with less effort, leaving more time to go do stuff like blowing **** up. Besides which, it's irrelevant. It would be a minimal if any impact (especially with the fact that mining would also be increased, thus also increasing the input of material into the game), and it would be nowhere close to the impacts that CCP have already put in place and plan to put in place with the sov overhaul. That you're not freaking out over the already implemented changes which have increased the income from ratting tells me you really don't give a crap and that you're just digging for excuses to push a boost to cloakers.

No, it just goes to show that you either don;t read posts or have a problem with comprehension. Try going back and reading what was written and you'll see that it was your assumptions all along.

ROFL. Null is not safer than highsec. Go look at killboards. What you mean to say is "people in nullsec actively take precautions to protect themselves", and yet even then they still die more than highsec. You barely even have to be awake in highsec to survive missions. As long as you don't blingfit 10b onto your ship or start shooting a blinky yellow guy, you're pretty much guaranteed to live.

Yes, I did ask you that, since the response to someone AFK ratting should be to blow them up, which is why the afktar is more of a meme than a reality. You say AFK cloakers are no problem, so why do they do it? If they achieve nothing, why do they even bother logging on. I think you know the answer here.

I'm not hellbent on ignoring anything. Gaining safety by working in a group isn't the same as mechanical safety. Now I see that you're a "grr blue doughnut" type of guy which is actually quite amusing. Who do you think is actually affected by AFK cloakers? *hint* it's not us. We have hundreds of systems to rat in and more than often a standing fleet in arms reach. We're more likely to be the ones AFK cloaking in smaller alliances space. This is the same as my point from before. You're making the assumption that I'm arguing for my own benefit. I'm not.

Horsewaffles.

You changed your ways of moving stuff because they did something actively. If they, and everyone else, stopped doing it, you would go right back to using unescorted freighters.

You are also either dishonest or just not understanding of what interaction is. If person a responds to the actions of person b, that is interaction. The guy who docks up in response to the arrival of a hostile has interacted with that hostile. That you don't like the nature of that interaction is firmly in the territory of your problem.

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they have a problem reading champ.

And what game do you play, exactly? Having an intel channel telling you when someone unfriendly is coming from 20 jumps out is absolutely safer than HS. See all those greys in HS? Anyone could be getting ready to gank you. See all those blues in your null alliance? They ain't gonna shoot you. Killboards? Did you adjust for the fact that there are 4.5x more people in HS than null?

Why do they bother logging on? Because they are gathering intel. Because being uncloaked for 30 seconds to log off is asking to be killed. To be alt-tabbed listening to a WH/gate. To wait for a gate camp to die down. To go grab something to eat and not want to have to log off of multiple accounts and log back in, given no place to dock/POS up.

You are absolutely arguing for your alliance and coalition's benefit. Did you just say the afktar is not a reality? Again, do you actually spend time in null?

I'm hardly saying grr blue doughnut. I was in it. I left it because its such a safe and risk-adverse style of play that its simply well, boring.

Wow...where have I heard that before? Probably why there are so few Goons/Imperium players posting in these threads.

There has been some good idea's i've seen on this whole 'problem' I'm of the opinion that there are 2 idea combined that will resolve the 'problem'

1) Local becoming a time delay, enter system or speak in local your name is there for 10mins.
2) Make the cloak use some kind of fuel.

Combining these ideas would fix everything that people are complaining about. It'll remove
- The whole AFK style gaming.
- The carefree carebear style.
- Bring nullsec into a true Player VS. Player sandbox style environment. On your tippy toes looking over your shoulder for the bomber with a covert cyno.

Going back to the first idea, that won't just alter the game style of covert ops it'll alter the entire null sec. That Dude that just got reported in intel 10mins ago? Where did he go? Did he move system? Did he log off? That fleet of 25 bombers where are they? You could technically spread a fleet out over 2-3 systems and cause some pretty good content.

Just sharing my opinion on the matter. Local NERF PLS