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Counter to the Gecko Strat

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Spud Lazair
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-01-13 12:51:21 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
TD the Gecko(s)

You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed

That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing ****

Its kinda funny really Cool


excuse my ignorance but what is TD?

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
Garr Gateway
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-01-13 14:47:32 UTC
Spud Lazair wrote:
Battle BV Master wrote:
TD the Gecko(s)

You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed

That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing ****

Its kinda funny really Cool


excuse my ignorance but what is TD?


Tracking disruptor
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2015-01-13 18:23:54 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.


you haven't looked in a few years Lol

76m buy 83.5m sell in jita now.

A Caldari Navy scram is a nice poor person alternative


Shocked

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#24 - 2015-01-13 22:05:48 UTC
Thare grate for frig fleets to give them more dps and low risk to do so

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#25 - 2015-01-14 20:11:06 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Fenris Orion wrote:
Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).

There's always a bigger fish.


Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web.

They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really.

They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones.

Omni links are a thing as well.





Come now, I think you know the drone mechanic better than that. Geckos orbit velocity is 400m/s, which means it catches up, takes a shot, and switches it's mwd off, then has to catch up again. And yes, they'll hit frigates well enough if they're dual-webbed and scrammed. A single web on a frigate with an afterburner won't be enough, though. This is why I stated my counter to the Gecko Strat is to stay outside web range. That or a dual-neutralizer brawler (Vexor Navy for example) should do just fine against the Stratios.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#26 - 2015-01-16 17:47:38 UTC
Yah, each Gecko is basically 2x Ogre IIs with Berserker II speed and tracking. So for shooting big things and webbed medium things, they are awesome. But frigates will just outrun them. So long as you stay out of web+scram range, you should be able to kite them ok.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-01-16 22:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Fenris Orion wrote:
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Fenris Orion wrote:
Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).

There's always a bigger fish.


Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web.

They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really.

They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones.

Omni links are a thing as well.





Come now, I think you know the drone mechanic better than that. Geckos orbit velocity is 400m/s, which means it catches up, takes a shot, and switches it's mwd off, then has to catch up again. And yes, they'll hit frigates well enough if they're dual-webbed and scrammed. A single web on a frigate with an afterburner won't be enough, though.


No not really. With the drone's 6k optimal an AB frig orbiting the stratios will pretty much always be in range of a gecko. Also, one volley from 2 geckos is often all that's needed to wipe a frig out of the grid. 2 webs makes it way easier, but even with one frigs are pretty much ******, might avoid a couple shots, but sooner or later... pop. I think you're underestimating Geckos tracking. It's better than small rails. And with an omnilink it gets to 1.15 or something like that, which is frankly ridicolous. Also, usually having at least one medium neut, that AB ain't gonna run long

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This is why I stated my counter to the Gecko Strat is to stay outside web range. That or a dual-neutralizer brawler (Vexor Navy for example) should do just fine against the Stratios.


yep, on this i can agree. VNI gonna be a tough match up, but Stratioses can fit neuts as well (2 edium neuts, 1 medium nos, 1 small nos/neut), really depends on the specific fit of both ships there. I can't see many instances in which a Stratios would engage a VNI without being perfectly aware of its fit tho.

With similar fits (active tank, full rack of neuts-nos) stratios can get a better tank because of resists, and better cap life. VNI has more dps. Pretty much who manages cap better wins
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