Player Features and Ideas Discussion

unfortunately the problem isn't the implementation but the idea

I am baffled by this thread. Considering your antics lately, I would figure you would slink into obscurity so you can keep on keepin' on. Instead you decided to get on a soapbox. To each his own, I guess.

This idea is no better than the "victims" calling for more buffs to ships and/or Concord. The tools are there, you obviously know how to use them quite effectively, why are you trying to make it easier? Watering down the game is never a good thing.

What I'm surprised by, is given how often you see/read threads on here of people complaining about being suicide ganked or their mining barges blown up, they're met with scorn/derision/ a general offering of concrete and HTFU.

I'm guessing you misinterpreted the hostility towards gank targets as well... support for gankers and hence you'd get some progress on this thread, but all you've done is gotten yourself in the spotlight of the big ball of scorn/HTFU/hostility that this forum section feels on hi-sec ganks in general, weather you're the person pew-ing or getting pewed.

Good lord I'm turning into Iain.
Halp.
Plz.
:c

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Ok, taking what you say is your argument and addressing it head on (doubt you'll feel as though I've addressed it but meh as in any debate that's up to the verdict of the adjudicators - which in this case would be everyone else, alternatively noone because 90% of people on this thread don't give a **** about this idea)

Ok, forming a list.
-Ok perhaps it is one of the few cases where logging off is a mechanic to avoid PvP. I'd doubt it's the sole activity though.

(......I'm so tempted to grab a Machariel and sit on a freighter gate to screw with people's heads now :D)

-However, this is also one of the few (maybe only) forms of PvP where your tackle (don't even try to justify bumping as anything other than tackling) ship does not gain any flags, is generally immune from counterattack from the freighter, and if your initial gank fails, you continue bumping the target until you can get a second, or third, or tenth wave of gank squads. In other PvP activites, if you tackle something and then fuckup and bite off more than you can chew, chances are you don't get a second chance to bring a bigger stick when you fleet turns to dust.

-This is the only form of PvP I can think of where you are unavoidably game-mechanics-bound to lose your ship in the attack, apart from ganking miners (which is pretty much the same thing) in other PvP the chance always exists your ship will survive. It might be astronomically low and effectively zero in some cases, but there's a distinction with buying a single lottery ticket, and not buying one at all (highly improbable, compared to impossible)

-Repeating my earlier post in this one but this form of PvP comes down to who has a better grip of the game's mechanics and who can navigate that field better than the other person in order to achieve their goal first. You have a type of battleship that's been fitted out what'd be considered god-awful in a normal environment to be able to fling itself at freighters to use the current bump mechanics to prevent it from ever warping. Then you have a fleet of -5.0 or lower pilots ready in gank catalysts sitting in station so despite the Faction Police mechanics designed to massively hinder criminal players from moving around hisec, the faction police may aswell not exist due to the measures you've taken. That's two examples of 'gaming the system' that I can think of. On the freighter pilot's side, when he jumps a gate and while holding cloak sees a potential bump Machariel sitting there,he's able to just close his client and have his freighter warp off, untouchable, and disappear. Another example of the system being gamed.

In conclusion, whilst it certainly is 'inconsistent' with other aspects of PvP ... literally every single aspect of freighter ganking is inconsistent with the rest of PvP, and whilst I so desperately want to sink back into the general rut of 'he plays the game differently to me therefore he's a whinging idiot blah blah" and accuse you of wanting your game even easier and dismissing you out of hand, in my current frame of mind I doubt you're able to effectively justify this change based on rectifying inconsistencies when suicide ganking is basically the exception to the rule.


Plus, there was also a suggestion very recently where you can right-click -> flag someone as a bumper and if they collide with you three more times they turn suspect, I see a lot of parallels in both the ideas, and the arguments for them.

One is right-click -> give them a combat log-off timer, the other is right-click -> flag as bumper, and potential for a suspect timer

One is based on the argument of how people being able to log off to avoid pvp is incositent with the rest of the game, the other is how people being able to perma-point freighters whilst being protected by CONCORD is inconsistent with the rest of the game.

The motion must fall.

Blerugh.

Talking about consistency is a bad idea when only in high sec can you block the players warp indefinately with absolutely zero repercussions.

Like I said before MAN UP AND FLAG UP.