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Hatred towards Roleplayers

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Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2015-01-12 15:57:34 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
That's probably the worst advice I've seen in this thread yet

Thorn en Distel wrote:
Roleplayers make non-roleplayers (by far the majority of on line gamers) uncomfortable.

Not really. Most gamers actually aren't so hung up, and fully understand the spirit games are played in.

The other kind, well I love to make them uncomfortable. Pirate

Can confirm.

The amount of non-roleplayers who LOVE my roleplaying ...
... or Erica's as well ...
... btw I really, really like Candi! ...
... is literally uncountable.


Also I do find a mindset that advocates that people "stick within their own group" rather questionable.
If you have an issue with something, sometimes the issue is with you and not the other side.

Pushing people away, because you don't feel like accepting them,
although they do you no harm at all, makes you a bad person.


Actually, I have met quite a few roleplayers who did A LOT of harm, most extremely so when an ERP roleplayer started stalking and harassing a woman player in real life. Like with all things, there are gradations, from harmless to very much not so and from amusing to hideously annoying.

And yes, I do think that if you want to avoid negative responses, you might want to stick to the chats of a role playing corp or channel. Just like I'd advise people who want to discuss religion or politics nonstop to stick to the like-minded. If that doesn't fit your ideal world, tough. People are not angels, irritation will happen, and there's no harm in minimizing the friction.

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2015-01-12 17:21:41 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:


Another thing is the skin coloration variance is quite extreme in the character maker. As Im trying to learn what is the norm, I examined all of the NPC's in the game through the NPC corps. All Khanid are light skinned. My character's whole family is BLACK AS BLACK can get. I thought that's what they meant by Dark Amarr, and I liked how it looked, alot. But I have yet to see a Khanid or Amarr, even player character, with skin on the darkest end of the spectrum. But it's a choice available.

I thought maybe I could explain it by saying her family had their genes manipulated a long time ago to melanize the skin to make their survivailty in space pre-capsule/clone tech more likely. UV rays and such....but I'd like to hear some perspective on this.

I don't know. First world problems.

Don't be ashamed that one of your progenitors got busy with a Matar slave. That's self hatred.

Seriously though if you are thin skinned this is not the game for you and especially not an RPer and especially especally not an Amarr RPer. Your race enslaved the Minmatar. Just the fact that you are Amarr will bring down upon your head extreeme hatred from all the Minmatar RPers. Some people play this game just to play the role of the bad guy and run around and try to pretend that they are some bad ass hard core nasty pirate and then hate on what they call RPers. This is an RPG we all role play some people just haven't made peace with it.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2015-01-12 17:30:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
[quote=Erica Dusette]


Also I do find a mindset that advocates that people "stick within their own group" rather questionable.
If you have an issue with something, sometimes the issue is with you and not the other side.


Yes it's kind of how most if not all homophobes are closet homosexuals. Hate and love are two sides of the same coin. If one is truly happy with their position on an given topic they would be accepting of the other side. All hatred at it's root is self hatred but now I'm getting outside the game and into philosophy.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2015-01-12 17:46:19 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:


Actually, I have met quite a few roleplayers who did A LOT of harm, most extremely so when an ERP roleplayer started stalking and harassing a woman player in real life. Like with all things, there are gradations, from harmless to very much not so and from amusing to hideously annoying.




uhhh..... That's not role playing that is real life. We don't put actors in jail for playing a serial killer in a movie but we do put people in jail if they actually go out and kill people. I want to avoid going into the real life consequences of long term getting into the mindset of someone truly evil but there is a difference between in game and out of game. Role playing is something that people "pretend" in game and in character. When you take it out of game and out of character we call it criminal.

You seem to be having difficulty grasping the concept of these boundaries or the fact that almost everyone RPs even if they don't play RPGs. You act one way at work and another way around your family and a different way around someone you are trying to impress to get into their pants. I don't think in my life I have ever met someone truly genuine 100% of the time. When I go to work I put on a uniform and have to fulfill a "role" and make my customers have some confidence in my ability to solve their problems. Some people play the role of a faithful spouse while they are actually getting some action on the DL. When you were growing up your parents played the role of parents when they were around you and a guarantee that they were totally different people when they were not around you but in adult situations.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#85 - 2015-01-12 21:16:53 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
That's probably the worst advice I've seen in this thread yet

Thorn en Distel wrote:
Roleplayers make non-roleplayers (by far the majority of on line gamers) uncomfortable.

Not really. Most gamers actually aren't so hung up, and fully understand the spirit games are played in.

The other kind, well I love to make them uncomfortable. Pirate

Can confirm.

The amount of non-roleplayers who LOVE my roleplaying ...
... or Erica's as well ...
... btw I really, really like Candi! ...
... is literally uncountable.


Also I do find a mindset that advocates that people "stick within their own group" rather questionable.
If you have an issue with something, sometimes the issue is with you and not the other side.

Pushing people away, because you don't feel like accepting them,
although they do you no harm at all, makes you a bad person.


Actually, I have met quite a few roleplayers who did A LOT of harm, most extremely so when an ERP roleplayer started stalking and harassing a woman player in real life. Like with all things, there are gradations, from harmless to very much not so and from amusing to hideously annoying.

That reminds me a lot of a couple of people that used to tell me when I was a teenager that Dungeons & Dragons is really a closet-cult for satanists and that the game encourages people to go murder folks, so I shouldn't play it.

Almost twenty years later I'm still playing it. Oddly I haven't conducted a single ritual sacrifice yet. What?

Posts like yours don't really even merit legitimizing with a reply tbh, but I just wanted to share that anecdote.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2015-01-12 23:34:40 UTC
While I'm not much of a role player, I think those that do- like CODE, are playing Eve right. Eve is, after all, an RPG. I gave it a try with an FW alt, but found no one really willing to engage.

Few players have much in the way of imagination or creativity in this game. Most just come to forums to ask 'how to' or 'what is best'....but you never see 'what is most fun?' threads.
They are content to play someone else's game, spam what works for other people, and obsess over 'winning' rather than enjoying. These are the people concerned with isk/hour or crying that their ship just got blown up. They are also the people most likely to run to CCP to remove any adversity with the hand of Dev-god patches rather than deal with things within the game itself. Again, going back to their lack of creativity. They remove the 'game' from Eve, and turn it into spreadsheets-in-space or a river of tears and appeals to Devs.

Roleplay away. You won't find much support for it, but you'll be having fun while others aren't.
Solecist Project
#87 - 2015-01-12 23:53:05 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Actually, I have met quite a few roleplayers who did A LOT of harm, most extremely so when an ERP roleplayer started stalking and harassing a woman player in real life. Like with all things, there are gradations, from harmless to very much not so and from amusing to hideously annoying.

Okay.

There's a difference between "cybersex" and "erotics".
People like these exist in your every day life, too.

I'm not like that. I'm neither desperate, nor obsessed.


Quote:

And yes, I do think that if you want to avoid negative responses, you might want to stick to the chats of a role playing corp or channel. Just like I'd advise people who want to discuss religion or politics nonstop to stick to the like-minded. If that doesn't fit your ideal world, tough. People are not angels, irritation will happen, and there's no harm in minimizing the friction.

You are a very easily scared person.
The harm behind minimizing this kind of friction, as you put it,
comes from you simply putting a whole lot of different people into one box .......

... and you're not even really dealing with it.


You just put it away. Literally.

And you do that, by telling us to stay away.
Within our group.
Isolated.


What kind of person does that?


How many boxes have you put away by now??

Why do you deny me the right to be an intelligent human being?


Are all black people drug dealers?






Gee ........



That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Solecist Project
#88 - 2015-01-13 10:16:54 UTC
No, I won't let this die just because the person in question now is too ashasmed of responding.

This is an important matter and shows what's wrong with so many people on so many levels.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#89 - 2015-01-13 12:37:04 UTC
ITT Sol wins at life

But seriously what people get up to in a video game between consenting players should be a non issue in the first place. Its iust space pixels and text yo

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Velicitia
XS Tech
#90 - 2015-01-13 12:38:24 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

That reminds me a lot of a couple of people that used to tell me when I was a teenager that Dungeons & Dragons is really a closet-cult for satanists and that the game encourages people to go murder folks, so I shouldn't play it.

Almost twenty years later I'm still playing it. Oddly I haven't conducted a single ritual sacrifice yet. What?

Posts like yours don't really even merit legitimizing with a reply tbh, but I just wanted to share that anecdote.



Well, there was that one time when we were up in the Spine of the World...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#91 - 2015-01-13 13:10:32 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Well, there was that one time when we were up in the Spine of the World...

Hey ... Oops

What happens in Icewind Dale is supposed to stay in Icewind Dale.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#92 - 2015-01-13 13:39:38 UTC
I thought it was "What happens in Arabel, stays in Arabel" Oops

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#93 - 2015-01-13 13:45:34 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
I thought it was "What happens in Arabel, stays in Arabel" Oops

Wait ... That was you too?

Holy crap, that mead. Shocked

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Badel Jramodarr
#94 - 2015-01-15 23:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Badel Jramodarr
@OP
Eve is all about playing it your way - never let anyone tell you differently. Emergent gameplay, which is Eve's backbone, is derived from this notion.
Roleplay how you want to roleplay; everyone has their own style.
Be flexible enough to flow with the situation as it transpires (I find it a lot more enjoyable this way as there is less parameters to fill and more surprises).
There is no right way, so just do as you see fit.

In the end...
It's important that you enjoy it.