Crime & Punishment

After getting ganked yesterday I've been reading other threadsl as to ganking, what's good, what's bad, what's greifing, what isn't, etc. There are countless pros and cons to go back and forth but let's honestly look at what the problem with ganking in high sec truly is.

It's exploitation.

No rules in null sec, okay, that's part of the game. Only a few rules for pvp in low sec, okay, that's part of the game. Supposedly strict rules for high sec, but this is where the game is exploited.

Obviously we can discuss the severity of ganking in high sec, or the repercussions of doing so as to negative sec status, losing ships to Concord, etc., but we all realize that what the gankers are losing is not as financially hard-hitting as the one who loses the freighter (or other expensive ship) and cargo/collateral.

I'm not saying that ganking shouldn't be allowed in high sec, it truly is part of the game, but the risk should be on equal value. If a Machariel is bumping a freighter to prevent warp, and a bunch of destroyers are the cause of the destruction of a freighter, then there are simple things CCP could do to stop the ease of which ganking is done.

1st - Log Off Safely - why is this the same time limit as in null sec? This could be changed to a different number depending on what security system you are in. From 1.0 to .9 make it immediate, .8-.7 5 seconds, .6-.5 10 seconds, .4-.1 - 20 seconds, and .0 or lower make it 30 seconds.

2nd - If this were implemented then it would be exploited by gankers who would simply then send in a rookie ship to 'aggro' the freighter or whatever ship the 'gankee' is in. Okay, so to fix this, simply remove any aggression on the part of the 'gankee' while in any system .5 or higher. This allows the 'gankee' to log off safely without having an aggression timer of 15 minutes.

These very simple additions would not prevent ganking, but would give the Eve pilots who are not able to take the financial hit the ability keep playing Eve. It also would allow ganking to continue against bots who cannot log off, plus against pilots who set their auto-pilot, because if you set your auto-pilot then you have to assume certain risks when you aren't at the helm of your ship.

Like I said at the beginning, I was ganked yesterday, and can take the financial loss of 5 billion. The only thing I'm truly out is time that I've put into the game, but in all honesty, if I have to assume that playing Eve means I have to live in fear every time I bring out my freighter to earn isk then why would I continue to play? My job prevents me from being in null sec at this time, because I don't have the time to go on fleet raids or do the fun things I love in null and low sec, so I'm having to be a care-bear for awhile until I can once again get to null sec. Ganking simply doesn't affect me financially the way it does others, and so I won't 'rage-quit' but there are plenty who will.

Yes... ganking is part of the game, but ganking in high sec, and the way it is done currently with almost no repercussions, is not the intention of CCP, at least I don't believe it to be so. It's exploiting the rules, which is always going to happen, whether it's in Eve or in RL, it's just part of human nature. However, my two simple suggestions would allow those players in high sec to continue to play a game they love, or are newer to the game who have no idea how much fun Eve can truly be.

Thanks for reading, looking forward to the responses.

Ram

It all makes sense.

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Ganking is not broken, what is broken is people who think they can pilot a very vulnerable ship that can't defend itself through one of the most dangerous systems in the game without a proper escort.

Bulkheads is a fine idea, but no, I didn't have time to warp off, I was getting bumped preventing me from warping.

OP: The fact that they got you pod too is typically a good indication that you were not paying attention. I'd wager that you were either AFK, autopiloting, or, as your post would suggest, logged off.

Not paying attention while moving a very expensive, poorly tanked ship through a system infamous for suicide gankers destroying exactly such ships is not what we in C&P would call a wise move. In fact, I'll come out and say that it's rather a foolish thing to do.

The only thing that needs to be fixed here is your expectation of safety. You were, I'm assuming, flying solo, and you got beat by multiple pilots. EvE is a multiplayer game and groups will always tend to have advantages over individuals. Use a scout, have someone web you into warp, or consider splitting your loads into smaller, less appealing chunks. The mechanics to deal with suicide ganking are already present in-game.

Note: I say this as someone who doesn't suicide gank.

EDIT:

Danger in EvE is entirely player-driven. It's not about security status, it's about the presence of those who wish to do you harm. There are large swaths of supposedly lawlwss space that are generally much safer than the Amarr/Jita pipe. This is the reality of EvE.

As I indicated above, the means to secure your ships already exist. They exist in abundance even. In this instance, you simply didn't use them.

What's to fix? It's working as intended.

Its all up to the freighter pilot if he wants to risk more, or less, though.

The freighter pilot can hire a scout to move forward for him. He can create an alt account and scout himself. he can ask for his friends to come along with Logistics to repair and prevent him from dying. He can carry less loot and make more trips so that he doesnt haul a billion isk cargo and become a target.

Everything is there for a freighter pilot to reduce his risks.

The fact that a ganker is willing to spend 30 accounts to gank a freighter, whereas a freighter pilot isnt willing to spend 3 accounts to protect his assets, is the reason why its so easy to gank freighters.

Why should this be surprising that someone who puts more effort into an endeavor comes out on top of the person who wanted to put the utter minimal amount of effort into the opposite endeavor? Why should it be surprising that someone who brings 30 pilots, 30 accounts into a fight, will have an easier time, and win a fight against someone who only brings 1 account, 1 pilot?

I am so sick and tired of hearing about freighter pilots and miners who believe they are completely powerless to fight against gankers, while at the same time, doing only the bare minimum amount of effort and expect the video game, CCP devs, and others, to solve their problems for them. Youre acting lazy and entitled. You need to stop thinking that its the games fault that ganking is so easy, and start thinking about ways that you can mitigate and prevent this from happening yourself.[/quote]


You have valid points on prevention, hiring scouts, etc. At no point am I saying that ganking shouldn't be allowed, but the issue truly is high sec. If you are in high sec there is security that should be there. It's not complaining to say that the rules CCP sets forth for high sec is the pilots fault due to others who exploit those very rules. No one should move in null or low sec without protection, guides, etc., that is the very nature of those systems. Hi sec is different, and at no point did I say ganking should be forbidden, just measures taken that prevents the ease of which a ganker squad can take down a freighter with almost no financial repercussions should be prevented due to the fact they are in high sec. Your argument holds no water in this regard because CCP sets forth the very way you describe how to protect your assets in null and low sec.

To clarify, again, I did not auto-pilot.

Where does it say that High Sec should not be one of the most dangerous areas? Oh that's just your opinion.

When it takes one additional pilot to secure your safety in 99% of any possible scenario, you have no one to blame but yourself.

The simple suggestion

> "hay dude, I'm going through one of the sketchy choke points, would you mind webbing me?

> "yeah , no problem mate, just lemme find my daredevil and I'll be out in a sec"

Problem solved.