Crime & Punishment

So they can't fit a point and use drones?

no needs for the mean. Assuming it's not a troll, I think that OP just has some misunderstandings of the basic nature of conflict.
The primary one being that the goals of the aggressor are not the same as those of the defender. Once that little bit is resolved, you get into nuances of tactics involving each party. What qualifies as a win for one differs completely for the other. It's probably something instilled by too much 1 v 1 combat with enemy combat vessels. This isn't a bad thing, it's just a lack of frame of reference. So called 'defenseless' ships have an entirely different manner of dealing with combat than normal combat vessels.

Being that most combat that involves them is not consensual unless a war dec or killright is involved, their primary objective in any scenario is to survive X seconds. X is defined by sec status of the system they are in and determines the CONCORD response time. This is where those who sacrifice yield or cargo capacity for tank thrive. This is where those who bring E-war or Logistics buddies shine. This is where those who are paying attention survive.

Slugfest rules do not apply to this form of combat. Outgunning is not important.

absolutely. not being there when the gankers arrive is a win for the target.
coming up with a clever trick that causes the gank to fail while continuing with their task at hand is an epic win for said target.
unfortunately most are either unaware that they can take measures to stack the odds in their favor, or they simply cannot be bothered to expend the effort.

But she contradicts herself in the very next sentence with:



Classic miner.

Um, no, I used to make money plexing but dont have the time. Check out my character sheet ******. Im pure PVP or nearly so.

You dont make money PVP'ing really. You spend money.

Hardly.

So many things wrong with this post. Im not a supporter of Code, but you have some serious misconceptions about ganking and mining.

First, it depends on the scenario. An untanked Hulk will die faster, to fewer people, than a tanked Hulk. An AFK Hulk, will die easier, and to fewer people, than a non-afk hulk. Most gankers are -10.0, which means you are able to shoot them on site. Most Gankers use an alt to gain a decent warpin, which means that the Venture that approached you, and then decided to warp off, is probably an alt of a Ganker, and you should probably move off to screw up their warp-in.

And yes, most gankers are -10.0, which means you can shoot them. So when they warp in, and before they get a beat on you, you can fire your drones up and shoot them, possibly killing one of them, allowing for the gank to fail.

It is up to the miner, whether the ganker will only spend 20 million, or have to end up spending 50 million to successfully gank you. Miners have the power, they just choose not to use that power. No one is defenseless, technically or hypothetically. You have defenses. If you choose not to use them, and rely on a prayer to survive a gank, that is your fault.



Secondly, you are only viewing it in terms of isk. Isk is not the only resource. Manpower, the ability to have 5 or 6 people group up and gank, is also an important factor, an important resource. Even though you said they only spent 20 million to gank the billion isk ship, what you didnt consider is the fact that they had to bring in 6 people in order to gank a single person. Can your faction battleship fitted with faction mods, stand up against x6 t1 battleships of the same design, fitted with t2 mods? Doubtful. It doesnt matter if your faction battleship cost 10 billion isk, whereas the 6 battleships only cost 800 million isk total. Numbers play an important part in this game, and those numbers are not just ISK-wise, they also include the number of people you are able to field. You cannot be surprised that 6 battleships can bring down a faction fit, faction battleship 50 times more expensive than the cost of each individual battleship.

Each character belongs to an account, that is paid for by plex or real money. If it takes 30 characters to kill an orca, that means that there are 30 accounts being paid for by real money or plex. You must take this cost into consideration, as well.



There are some changes id like to see in hisec, but what youre suggesting, is absurd. If this were to be implimented, we will have industrials who haul 10 billion isk worth of stuff in their untanked obelisks, complaining about how it only takes 100 mill to gank a 12 billion isk ship, and ask that it take atleast 200 players with 500 million isk worth of ships to kill an obelisk.

The Stars Like Dust has declared war on Vassagon [her previous corp]. (17:02)

I refresh this thread, and she's already dropped corp.

Well that was fast.



I think you should stop posting about things you obviously know nothing about. But hey, everyone's got an opinion these days!

What you mean other than watch local, watch d-scan, mine aligned to a warp out (easier now than ever with the module that cuts max speed by 75% ish) and fitting a proper tank?

Eve is not meant to be a simple game, even simple tasks like mining require situational awareness. If you pay attention it is impossible to get ganked while mining. Hauling less so as you can get bumped by a cloaky, but scouting can reduce the risk to reasonable levels.

Not to mention that bookmarks show up in space now so you can align to them super easily.