Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ORE Ship Line Extended

I know, I know, we don't need them, there's better to do, etc. but let's assume there are a few hours too much sunshine in Iceland and CCP gets taken over by a massive carebear epidemic.

Here's playing with ideas on what kind of ships could be added without too much redundancy or power creep. Maybe before the 25th anniversary they will look at mining so let's provide them with some ideas to start off with.



Frigate

• T1 : Venture

• T2 : Prospect

We have those. They're good. Let's keep them.


Destroyer
(around double normal destroyer cost)

• T1 : Drone Miner and Salvager

10% increase in Drone Yield and Velocity
5% reduction of Savager duration

With a 6/3/2 slot layout and four turrets for mining lasers make it a viable drone miner when not on salvage duty. 25/50 bandwidth/bay force a choice between salvage/mining/combat drones, around 7.5k ore hold to make it better than a Venture but not intrude on Barge territory and 750 base cargo for loot make it an interesting ship for a miner more interested in agile mining.

• T2 : Salvaging Specialist

5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration
60% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity
4% bonus to all shield resistances

This one effectively replaces the Noctis, price in T2 materials will be around the price of a Noctis, all existing ships can be switched around. The Primae hull always seemed like a choice of convenience rather than intent. A destroyer sized hull would be much more appropriate and a T2 ship more fitting to the highly specialized role and level of efficiency it has. Maybe switch the T1 drone yield bonus for salvage access, drop bay to 25 and drop all turrets, but make it a 8/4/2 slot layout, which is above what a destroyer sized hull usually sports. Improve cargo to around 1-1.5k.


Cruiser

• T1 : Shield Logistics and limited Foreman

25% bonus to Shield Transporter transfer amount
3% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness
Role bonus: Can use one Warfare Link

Providing entry level foreman role and basic anti-blap. With only one active link at a time, it does not intrude into the Orca or even BCs for command role, but gives it a purpose to be on the field and a entry level ship in the Foreman role for aspiring miners. The logistic portion is effective in a maintenance and emergency situation, offering high transfer amounts but limited range and sustainability, which leaves it out of a combat role compared to other logistic cruisers.

• T2 : Universal Repairs and Maintenance

25% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer transfer amount
25% bonus to Remote Hull Repairer transfer amount
Towers, turrets, sov structures and other shot up stuff, this one can fix them all from ground up. Limited range and difficult sustainability puts it plain outside a combat role and is mainly for maintenance. Maybe replace the T1 bonus to Foreman Links with a 40% bonus to Energy Transfer Array transfer amount to make them easier sustainable when working in tandem.


Battlecruiser

• T1 : Planetary Command and Survey

1 step increase in the resolution of Resource Data when scanning a planet
20% bonus to ship Planetary Commodity and Planetary Command Center Hold (10k/3k base)
Role bonus: +100% to Remote Sensing distance

The Primae as it should have been. A fully focused planetary interaction supporting ship. Sure, it's not a hauler, but the 10k base commodity hold is more than enough for moving products from the planets to the home base. The 3/4/4 slot layout is more than compensated for with a low 150m signature radius, high sensor strength of 30 and a 3 AU/s warp speed. All existing Primae get changed to a Primae ORE Development Edition skin.

• T2 : Covert Planetary Command and Survey

5% bonus to ship Inertia Modifier
5% bonus to Warp Speed and Warp Acelleration
Role bonus: Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device, Cloak Reactivation Delay reduced to 5 seconds

Basically everything the T1 does only with added mobility and a coops cloak. Main purpose is to do PI in wormholes and other hostile space. Without any combat capabilities, not being there is its only way to survive. A 3/6/4 slot layout should allow enough utility for a wider virety of tastes.


Battleship

• T1 : Small Freighter

5% bonus to ship Cargo Capacity
5% bonus to ship Max Velocity
A small freighter that starts where the DST ends and ands before the Freighter starts with around 75-100k base Cargo bay. A 1/3/2 slot layout with battleship mobility and base tank makes it the ship of choice for not so voluminous and not so valuable items to carry from and to the market or just from A to B.

• T2 : Mobile Facilities

1% bonus to Base Reprocessing Yield
7.5% reduction in Repair Facility nanite use
Role bonus: Can fit Facility Modules (Repair Shop, Reprocessing, Compression, Clone Vat Bay, Fitting)
Providing station facilities without a station. Granted, this is everything a Rorqual should do, so maybe move all of it there and just scrap a T2 ORE battleship size.



Now stop groaning and be creative!

Do you even read?

A venture that mines ice would be awesome.

Or special ice miners for the Prospect and the hull bonus working tech2 gas harvesters would be cool, but I know it's too much to expect from that ship in th first place.

Concerning the stuff on the list maybe not exactly as listed however...

Supported:
Salvaging destroyer.
Cause would be a low cost option for newer players, and sometimes the noctis is overkill / or you would want the speed.
Lots of room to work in between noctis and current t1 salvage destroyers.

Indifferent:
PI boats

Would oppose:
Cruisers
Ore really isn't logi

Hauling battleship
Not special enough. Might replace alternatives.

T2 salvage destroyer
I can't support something that would replace the noctis. Could support something that offers tradeoffs

A mining drone boat I get behind, the rest not so much. As a suggestion of my own I'd toss out something that can fit the equivalent of a strip miner but for gas clouds.

Actually, I'd get behind a drone mining battleship that is based off of the Exhumer/Mining Barge skillset. Fluff it up as a militarized extended Procurer/Skiff that was reequipped to mine primarily with a full flight of modified mining drones while carrying 4 heavy turrets and remote projectors for shield/armor repair. The T1 one would provide a moderate to somewhat major bonus to drones, but the T2 one has a penalty that increases the bandwidth of mining drones to that of heavy drones while buffing the mining rate up to 75-80% of that of a Skiff. While also carrying enough bandwidth and drone bay space to fly a full flight of mining drones while wink-wink-nudge-nudge suggesting with the extra capacity that maybe it should carry a backup flight of heavy drones.

Fluff them up as ORE's response to Incursions and/or the rising Sleeper threat potential to their operations, forcing them to design a new combat-oriented vessel that can still mine well enough to be worth taking on an expedition without compromising the protection of the fleet. If a further penalty for a relatively scary ship (four heavy guns plus full flight of heavy drones) is necessary, you could fiddle with the numbers to only fly 4 heavy drones and maybe skill it up like a pirate vessel. (Exhumer+racial battleship skill)

+1 to salvage destroyer.
-1 for mining destroyer

Leave mining to frigates/cruisers
Leave support to destroyers/BCs (salvage/boost/logi)
Develop a BS class ship to fill a role that isn't already used by ORE - I would even settle for a smaller version of a bowhead designed to haul cruisers and smaller.

Redisign the Orca and Rorqual ships into more finite roles.
Orca could be the booster/drone miner
Rorqual - can fill in the gaps or be something more awesome then a "sit in POS" boat.

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Not trying to be an ass, but I'd say he has a pretty valid point.

Salvaging is a good area to explore, though I think they would be better served by making the Noctis and Marauder Tractor beam range bonuses a salvaging chance bonus, or cycle time reduction. Reason being mobile tractor units have encroached on those two ships heavily, and it's more efficient to run salvagers on Nocti and Marauders and leave the tractoring to MTUs.

As for mining, I know nothing about it, or what miners' needs are, so.