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OGB from station, plus some other things.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#1 - 2015-01-05 12:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleb Seremshur
So a little thing that's been bugging me lately. I've done forum searches and went through a few pages but didn't see the answer to this.

While SISI is not an e-bushido simulator where internet warriors go for honourable duels there is an issue regarding a couple of things. The other day a carrier was explicitly warned by an ISD for assigning drones from station which constitutes a form of aggression on station. To me, by the same logic, providing boosts from a ship for fleet from station is also a form of aggression for the purposes of being immune on station because they are providing a quantifiable benefit to a fleet. So sure links don't give you a weapons timer (and they probably should) but they are providing a benefit to others in the same way that logi provides a measurable benefit or that remote sebo/tc also provides a measurable benefit.

While OGB remains a thing I think we can all agree that no form of aggression (or fleet assistance) is to occur on station. A gentleman quoted to me an ISD warning (to him) that said how even the act of locking a target (for any reason) qualifies as aggression (which would rule out logi on station by default).

Since the thread here by CCP Falcon doesn't really cover any *specific* combat scenarios other than

Quote:
COMBAT SYSTEM (6-CZ49, PVH8-0) SPECIFIC RULES

  • No fighting or other aggressive actions at the station and gates (no targeted or AoE warp inhibiting modules).
  • No capitals in PVH8-0


there is some serious grey area. If locking is banned on station (according to some ISD) then how can logi on station be permissible and if logi doesn't provide weapons timers then how can boosts be legal from station if they also benefit a fleet albeit more indirectly than logi?

I'm just looking for a little clarity. If someone wants to use their booster alt that's fine but the moment they switch on their links they should be subject to the same rules as everyone else.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2015-01-05 15:42:30 UTC
Locking isn't banned on station. That being said, this is all covered under common sense. Boosters are, at this time, allowed on station as they are not committing an aggressive action, and to aggro them while on station would absolutely fall foul of the rules. It's not about indirect benefits, it's about direct actions. You can't assign drones from station, as that's a direct action of aggression. You also can't have your drones be pewing people while you chill out at the station.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#3 - 2015-01-05 15:57:35 UTC
Not the response I was hoping for. In that case, is bumping also a non-aggressive action?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2015-01-05 19:06:54 UTC
Did you miss the sentence where he mentioned "common sense" applies?

Bumping, while annoying, isn't an aggressive act that earns you a weapons timer. It doesn't get you CONCORDed in high sec or attacked by gate guns in low sec therefore, not a violation of the test server rules. Please stop being so pedantic and apply a little common sense, ok?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#5 - 2015-01-06 03:02:44 UTC
The threat of a ban deserves clear answers. This game isn't free. It's not hard to define how to use it.

There's your common sense.
Spacial Girl
Ethereal Beings
#6 - 2015-01-06 11:22:19 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
The threat of a ban deserves clear answers. This game isn't free. It's not hard to define how to use it.

There's your common sense.


ISD Has been quoted before saying that attempting to bump afk'ers off station in order to pew pew them off grid is considered an offense.

I'm assuming any intent to simply bump or harass on station would be un-wanton and cause problems and might land you some sort of warning, unless your intent is to bump player x far enough that they move off grid and then you proceed to kill the ship.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#7 - 2015-01-06 11:51:56 UTC
Spacial Girl wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
The threat of a ban deserves clear answers. This game isn't free. It's not hard to define how to use it.

There's your common sense.


ISD Has been quoted before saying that attempting to bump afk'ers off station in order to pew pew them off grid is considered an offense.

I'm assuming any intent to simply bump or harass on station would be un-wanton and cause problems and might land you some sort of warning, unless your intent is to bump player x far enough that they move off grid and then you proceed to kill the ship.



Well that's the idea yes.

But I suppose even that is not allowed.
Thales
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#8 - 2015-01-06 13:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Thales
I believe all ones questions can be clearly answered by the following, is the purpose of the action to test a tactic, module or feature.

That passes the common sense test.

Is the purpose to disrupt, cause anguish, disturb others, interfere with others testing or cause people to think one is a complete asshat.

Then that passes the asshat test.

Asshat = no one wants that player on the test server.

People really need that pointed out?