EVE General Discussion

If that's all it reads (When was this mail introduced, I don't remember being told to mine?) that is a little bit strange. Surely encouraging new players to get out there and try the fun aspects of EVE ISK making is a better idea.

Outline all(prevalent few) the ISK making activities or none, as to not change the newbies' thoughts on the flexibility of the game. After all, who wants to sit there and watch a beam flick on and off for hours on end?

I don't think it's as bad as you're perceiving it. Could it be better? Yes, of course. It could tell them in the first section that after they get started and skilled up in areas that interest them they can then go out and find better ways of earning ISK.

It's addressed to new players, and for them to earn ISK missions and mining are a decent start for them. The second part of the mail obviously directs them to seek further information and resources.

Naturally, new players need to earn as they learn and there is nothing wrong with earning ISK in the ways suggested for them. As they're doing this then if they follow the second part of the mailing they will get in touch with more experienced players who can guide them in many different areas and into ways of earning ISK besides those initial, viable for new player methods. They will learn that the game is very deep and well beyond grinding ISK.

Those that chose or just don't connect with the player community will be doomed, of course, but you can't drag them over that line. They aren't going to find the game rewarding, aside from those that enjoy solo missioning and mining, and if that's what a loner likes, who cares . Eve is a sandbox and you can't force anyone to another's way of playing in the sandbox.

Not only grind but those two things are arguably the most boring activities in the game! However, as a noob, I have to say that those two activities are the only two which are easy to get into to. Everything else takes quite a lot of effort and/or skill training and/or ISK and I don't even know how to get into most of the fun stuff in the game such as fleet PvP, Incursions etc.

Seems like CCP need to re-design their new player experience, not by just tutorials, but with activities which are actually fun and easy to get into. However after 10 years, somehow I doubt that it will happen. Their loss though because a lot of people, like me, want to get into EVE but get stuck doing those two boring-ass activities and after they done it for days, they get ganked and lose everything. Logical resolution = rage-quit.

Okay, so then what's you're solution then? Perhaps craft your own draft and suggest it. You never know, it may well be accepted.

New players, no matter what, tend to ask a lot of "what's the best..." type of questions, and those of us in the Help channels do our best to help them through that. It's in their nature to ask questions of that sort, especially if they've been very used to gaming in theme-park style games.

I personally don't see it as CCP setting them up to be grind bears, but I just keep in mind what realistic options are open for new players and how to help best direct them to the resources. You have to admit, the mail does give them that.

When I read the mail as a whole I don't see it as setting them up to be grind bears, but that is my perception on it. If I were to focus only on the initial part of the mail, and discount that it is addressing new players for how to start out, then I'd be seeing as a "go grind ISK" message. Again, this is how I see it, and I'm not discounting your point of view on it .

Edit: Eve is "player driven content" and yes, the NPE could always become better than it is, but it has evolved. And there are many new players who find themselves in the care and direction of more experienced players. This is the difference, and it's not really up to CCP, in my opinion, to craft "proper, ready to go, newbs" who have all the answers and don't act like new players do....

there's a new player mail???

If you want to do something positive like run a competition to design a welcome mail I would be happy to donate some prizes or something Gregor.

I tend to agree with Celine that if you are going to offer suggestions they need to be practical, which is not to say that you are wrong of course.

Well of course mining is a good income for newbies sir!

I started out mining with my venture, I upgraded to a procurer, then to a retriever, only to lose it to a gank.

Then I branched out after I got enough capital.

See? Nothing wrong about that, except that mining hits a gap very fast if you are soloing but its a excelent way to get some seed money

First of all that's a lie. Secondly the whole "quickly, make isk IIIISK!!!!! GOTTA MAKE ISK, GO GRIIIIIIND!!! IIIIIIIISK (p.s. if you don't want to make isk you can also buy these handy plex things)" is terrible.

Turning into a rant?

It was a rant from the first word.

This needs to be moved to GD where we can respond to the OP in the proper manner and then locked for whining.

Mr Epeen

Agreed:


Is it a Question or a general helpful post to assist new players?

Nope, so not NCQA food.


So where should it be?


Does have a nice concrete idea that would benefit EVE?

Yes > F&I
No > GD